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Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Friday, October 15, 2010

E. coli and Citrate

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In the thread below this one Rich Hughes posted a comment tat said only:
E. coli and citrate
Nothing else was offered- no comment on what that pertains to and nothing demonstrating that Rich even knows what he is talking about.

So I must ask- what do you evotards think happened with E. coli and citrate?

And just how do you evotards think it supports your position?

posted by Joe G @ 7:39 AM  

27 Comments:

  • At 11:09 AM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

     

  • At 11:14 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    LoL!!

    Rich is sooo stupid he can't tell me in his own words!

    Unfortunately there isn't anything in that link which says how this supports their position.

     

  • At 11:16 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    What I was hoping for is some evotard to come along and say "The E coli evolved the ability to digest citrate", like oleg and thorton were doing over on Hunter's blog a while back.

    When I read their commenst I almost ruined my computer- I couldn't believe their ignorance.

    But anyway...

     

  • At 11:17 AM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    In Joe's world citing a comprehensive eaxmple is inferior to using your own words.

     

  • At 11:21 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Dude how stupid are you?

    Geez read the OP:

    So I must ask- what do you evotards think happened with E. coli and citrate?

    Ya see assface I know because i read all about the experiment.

    However I have come across evotards who thought they knew, spoke up and choked on it.

    It's just funny watching evotards so clueless taht they don't even understand what the fuck is going on.

     

  • At 11:33 AM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    That's why ID is winning.

    AND Design is a mechanism.

     

  • At 11:33 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    So I must ask- what do you evotards think happened with E. coli and citrate?

    And Rich thinks whatever wikipedia tells him to think.


    LoL!

     

  • At 11:42 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Well I have proven that design is a mechanism.

    OTOH all Rich can do is lie and equivocate.

    And tat is why ID will win- we have the evidence and we can expose their lies and equivocations.

     

  • At 12:52 PM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Blount, Borland & Lenski, Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichia coli, PNAS 2008.

    Paraphrasing, A citrate-using variant evolved in a population of E coli, causing an increase in population size and diversity.

     

  • At 1:18 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Well another evo chimes in but can only demonstrate that it can cut-n-paste-

    Geez I asked what evos thought it did.

    I also asked how this support their position.

    So far two have chimed in and neither has been able to comply.

     

  • At 1:49 PM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Joe G: What I was hoping for is some evotard to come along and say "The E coli evolved the ability to digest citrate",

    A citrate-using variant evolved in a population of E coli, causing an increase in population size and diversity.

    They obviously don't know the first thing about E. coli.

     

  • At 1:53 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    What I was hoping for is some evotard to come along and say "The E coli evolved the ability to digest citrate",

    Zacriel:
    A citrate-using variant evolved in a population of E coli, causing an increase in population size and diversity.

    True but the E.coli definitely did NOT evolve the ability to digest nitrate.

    E coli already had that machinery in place.

    The problem was E coli couldn't get the citrate thorugh its membrane so that the machinery could go to work on it.

    That is what changed.

     

  • At 10:11 PM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    NIH: Organs that make up the digestive tract are the mouth, esophagus, stomach, small intestine, ...

    Just like digestion in humans includes the mouth, teeth, chewing and whatnot, in bacteria, digestion begins with the transport of the nutrient across the cell membrane.

    Joe G: The problem was E coli couldn't get the citrate thorugh its membrane so that the machinery could go to work on it. That is what changed.

    And that change is heritable, meaning it's evolution.

     

  • At 10:19 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Zachriel:
    Just like digestion in humans includes the mouth, teeth, chewing and whatnot, in bacteria, digestion begins with the transport of the nutrient across the cell membrane.

    So what?

    The E. coli STILL didn't evolve the ability to digest citrate- just the ability to get it through its membrane.

    If it didn't have the digestion machinery in place getting it in wouldn't have accomplished anything.

    The problem was E coli couldn't get the citrate thorugh its membrane so that the machinery could go to work on it. That is what changed.

    Zachriel:
    And that change is heritable, meaning it's evolution.

    Yes I understand your affliction to equivocation, however there isn't anything in that "evolution" that supports your position.

    And as a matter of fact everything about the experiment supports baraminology.

    Go figure...

     

  • At 9:01 AM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Joe G: The E. coli STILL didn't evolve the ability to digest citrate- just the ability to get it through its membrane.

    That's part of digestion. But no matter. They evolved the ability to ingest citrate.

    Joe G: Yes I understand your affliction to equivocation, however there isn't anything in that "evolution" that supports your position.

    That would apparently apply to those ne'er-do-wells, Blount, Borland & Lenski, who said that a citrate-using variant evolved in a population of E coli, causing an increase in population size and diversity.

     

  • At 9:10 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The E. coli STILL didn't evolve the ability to digest citrate- just the ability to get it through its membrane.

    Zachriel:
    That's part of digestion.

    So if they got it through and didn't have the digestive machinery in place woul it still be part of digestion?

    Or would it be a probable cause of death?

    Yes I understand your affliction to equivocation, however there isn't anything in that "evolution" that supports your position.

    Zachriel:
    That would apparently apply to those ne'er-do-wells, Blount, Borland & Lenski,

    How so?

    Are they using it as evidence that blind, undiected chemical processes are what led to the diversity of living organisms observed?

    No.

    IOW you don't know what you are talking about- as usual.


    who said that a citrate-using variant evolved in a population of E coli, causing an increase in population size and diversity.

    Fine- baraminology says that E coli can vary.

    IOW it does not support your position.

     

  • At 10:06 AM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Joe G: Are they using it as evidence that blind, undiected chemical processes are what led to the diversity of living organisms observed? No.

    You didn't read the paper, did you?

     

  • At 10:29 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I read the paper.

    Are they using their experiment are evidence of UCD via an accumulation of genetic accidents or not?

    Answer the question and stop being such a fucking jerk.

     

  • At 10:51 AM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Joe G: Are they using it as evidence that blind, undiected chemical processes are what led to the diversity of living organisms observed?

    Among their observations of diversity in the studied populations was citrate-using E. coli evolving from non citrate-using E. coli.

     

  • At 11:13 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Zachriel:
    Among their observations of diversity in the studied populations was citrate-using E. coli evolving from non citrate-using E. coli.

    So you agree that the experiment supports baraminology.

    Thanks.

     

  • At 12:14 PM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Try to concentrate.

    Joe G: Yes I understand your affliction to equivocation, however there isn't anything in that "evolution" that supports your position.

    Zachriel: That would apparently apply to those ne'er-do-wells, Blount, Borland & Lenski

    Joe G: How so?

    Because Blount, Borland & Lenski call the heritable change that allows E. coli to utilize citrate "evolution." But what do they know about the evolution of bacteria. Not much.

     

  • At 12:19 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Zachriel,

    The evidence demonstrates it is YOU who cannot concentrate.

    Zachriel:
    Because Blount, Borland & Lenski call the heritable change that allows E. coli to utilize citrate "evolution."

    Again "evolution" is NOT being debted you ignorant fuck.

    And as I said the experiment fits in perfectly with baraminology.

     

  • At 12:20 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Are they using it as evidence that blind, undiected chemical processes are what led to the diversity of living organisms observed?

    No.

    IOW you don't know what you are talking about- as usual.

    IOW Zacho thanks for once again proving that you are an intellectual coward.

     

  • At 2:27 PM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Joe G: Are they using it as evidence that blind, undiected chemical processes are what led to the diversity of living organisms observed?

    The paper explains the evolution of the living organisms the researchers observed. That was the topic, after all.

     

  • At 2:39 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Zachriel:
    The paper explains the evolution of the living organisms the researchers observed.

    IOW it does NOT support your position in any way.

    Thanks.

     

  • At 2:41 PM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Joe G: IOW it does NOT support your position in any way.

    Our position is that the researchers reported observations of contingency in evolution.

     

  • At 4:15 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Zachriel:
    Our position is that the researchers reported observations of contingency in evolution.

    IOW you have the position of an intellectual coward.

    Thanks.

     

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