What is a "targeted search"?
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I have been saying that a targeted search is a possible mechanism for Intelligent Design.
But what is a targeted search?
For one, Richard Dawkins' "weasel" program ("The Blind Watchmaker"), is a targeted search.
1- Start with a goal/ target in mind (dawkins' weasel goal was a senetence "Methinks it is like a weasel")
2- Set the initial conditions (Dawkins started with a string of letters)
3- Write an algorithm and provide the resources to reach the goal/ target (Dawkins provided the alphabet and wrote an algorithm that would mutate the initial string and then check for "closeness" to the target)
That is a targeted search in a nutshell.
Targeted searches have been used to design antennae and to also reproduce patented electronic circuits.
A targeted search is a very powerful tool/ mechanism.
I have been saying that a targeted search is a possible mechanism for Intelligent Design.
But what is a targeted search?
For one, Richard Dawkins' "weasel" program ("The Blind Watchmaker"), is a targeted search.
1- Start with a goal/ target in mind (dawkins' weasel goal was a senetence "Methinks it is like a weasel")
2- Set the initial conditions (Dawkins started with a string of letters)
3- Write an algorithm and provide the resources to reach the goal/ target (Dawkins provided the alphabet and wrote an algorithm that would mutate the initial string and then check for "closeness" to the target)
That is a targeted search in a nutshell.
Targeted searches have been used to design antennae and to also reproduce patented electronic circuits.
A targeted search is a very powerful tool/ mechanism.
posted by Joe G @ 8:26 AM
30 Comments:
At 6:00 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
What about evolutionary algorithms?
At 6:20 PM,
blipey said…
And...
At 7:55 PM,
Joe G said…
Yes Rich evolutionary algorithms are examples of a targeted search.
At 8:17 PM,
Hawks said…
What about evolutionary algorithms?
Nah, in the end it all boils down to whatever survives to reproduce, survives to reproduce.
At 9:37 PM,
Joe G said…
Hawks:
Nah, in the end it all boils down to whatever survives to reproduce, survives to reproduce.
In your scenario, yes.
In a design scenario, no.
At 10:16 AM,
Rich Hughes said…
What do you think the target it, something very specific or something that meets certain conditions? Can there be multiple targets?
At 2:27 PM,
Joe G said…
Rich:
What do you think the target it, something very specific or something that meets certain conditions?
Something that specifically meets certain conditions.
LoL!
OK wait- now just follow along-
According to "The Priviledged Planet" the universe was designed for scientific discovery.
That would mean it specifically needs scientific discoverers and discoverees- you know things to be discovered and things to do the discovering.
Then there are all the things needed just to support those two groups- the resources.
But our we- humans on this planet- a specific target?
That is a possibility.
We have to keep in mind that artificial selection is a targeted search.
And we may be some "experiment"....
Can there be multiple targets?
Multiple targets, multiple initial conditions, multiple resource availabilities, multiple algorithms.
And multiple designers and multiple verses
At 4:49 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
I was actually think more in terms of real search as you might find in AI. Take the GA solution for Steiner trees -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steiner_tree_problem
This problem is I believe NP complete for a sufficiently large number of nodes.
How would you describe the target of this search?
The privileged planet argument isn't that great. Anything with an X is designed for X. And if the universe is designed, then vacuum and hydrogen are the creator's beloved.
At 7:17 AM,
Joe G said…
Rich:
The privileged planet argument isn't that great.
It is better than anything your position has to offer.
Anything with an X is designed for X.
That isn't what it says.
And if the universe is designed, then vacuum and hydrogen are the creator's beloved.
That doesn't follow.
At 7:21 AM,
Joe G said…
Rich:
I was actually think more in terms of real search as you might find in AI.
I presented a real search.
How would you describe the target of this search?
It is looking/ searching for a solution.
At 10:36 AM,
blipey said…
Mount Everest was specifically designed to kill off the weak-minded humans. This is fun. What other incredibly stupid connections can we make?
I see something. I do something with it. So I determine it was specifically designed for whatever I just did with it.
Awesome.
Perhaps you should watch the improv game "Props". I'm sure you wouldn't understand it, though.
At 10:57 AM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
Mount Everest was specifically designed to kill off the weak-minded humans.
Yet you are still here.
What other incredibly stupid connections can we make?
I am sure you can make many stupid connections.
Again just because you can act like an asshole that doesn't refute ID.
At 11:41 AM,
blipey said…
Well, if the Universe is designed because we're here to study it, several things become clear:
The Great Salt Lake was designed because I need a comfortable recliner to read my paper on.
Nerf was designed because my nephew needed an interesting feeling tissue for his nose.
Paint was deigned so bears can't see the food hanging in my kitchen through the window.
This is awesome.
Unless of course, you would like to sum up why something being here (the Universe) so we can study it (ID) is not like something being here (paint) so we an hide from bears (a reasonable application).
At 12:08 PM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
Well, if the Universe is designed because we're here to study it, several things become clear:
That isn't what I said.
IOW it is clear that you are just an asshole.
At 7:20 PM,
blipey said…
Hmmmm.
Joe's position is that we know the universe is designed because we can study it.
Yet he sometimes seems to disagree with this. Maybe he should see if he still has a left hand.
At 7:26 AM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
Joe's position is that we know the universe is designed because we can study it.
Strange how I never said nor implied such a thing.
IOW blipey's position is to lie aboiut other people's position.
At 9:52 AM,
blipey said…
Tell me again the point of PP?
At 11:59 AM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
Tell me again the point of PP?
The point of the book was to present the scientific data which demonstrates the universe was designed for scientific discovery.
From the cover:
The Privileged Planet
How Our Place In The Cosmos Was Designed For Discovery
At 12:03 AM,
blipey said…
Let's get this straight.
1. You think the universe was designed for scientific study as evidenced by the fact that we are able to study it.
2. You do not believe the universe was designed because we are able to study it.
Quite a conundrum.
At 7:40 AM,
Joe G said…
Nope, once agin you have to twist things:
blipey:
1. You think the universe was designed for scientific study as evidenced by the fact that we are able to study it.
Nope.
2. You do not believe the universe was designed because we are able to study it.
Nope.
Again just because you can act like an asshole that doesn't refute anything.
At 7:00 PM,
blipey said…
Why don't you tell us what is wrong with my previous statement? Specifically.
At 9:21 PM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
Why don't you tell us what is wrong with my previous statement?
I don't think the universe was designed for scientific study as evidenced by the fact that we are able to study it.
But anyway why don't YOU provide something that supports your statements?
That is how it is supposed to go.
You, however, just fling shit around hoping something sticks.
IOW you "argue" like a drooling imbecile.
At 9:25 PM,
blipey said…
Sure you do, Joe. That's the premise of PP.
At 9:29 PM,
Joe G said…
No it isn't.
Again your ignorance doesn't mean anything here...
At 9:36 PM,
blipey said…
PP: The universe is designed as evidenced by our ability to study it.
Joe (sometimes): That's right.
Joe (at other times): That's not right.
At 9:40 PM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
PP: The universe is designed as evidenced by our ability to study it.
That is not so.
Again your ignorance doesn't hold any weight here.
I have actually read the book...
At 9:43 PM,
blipey said…
I have too.
Why don't you reconcile your belief that the universe is here for us to study and also that studying the universe provides no clue to its design.
At 9:49 PM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
I have too.
You have never read "The Privileged Planet"- at least you have never demonstrated any understanding of it.
Why don't you reconcile your belief that the universe is here for us to study and also that studying the universe provides no clue to its design.
I don't have such a thing to reconcile.
IOW you don't know what you are talking about.
So why don't you reconcile your belief that you think you are actually making sense with the fact that you are a twisted asshole.
At 9:51 PM,
blipey said…
Alright. Successful. This thread has now reached the critical JoeTard Mass. No further information will be forthcoming and Joe has provided no details of his own argument--merely demands that others do vague things.
Winner.
At 9:45 AM,
Joe G said…
blipey:
Alright. Successful.
Right you have succesfully spewed enough shit on my blog to distract from the fact that you couldn't support your position if your life depended on it.
Joe has provided no details of his own argument
All evidence to the contrary.
IOW all wittle ewik can do is project- ya see wittle ewik has never provided any support, never mind details, for his position.
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