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Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Monday, August 17, 2009

More on H2O2 Therapy and my Experiment

This site doesn't appear to be selling anything. Maybe they are producers of H2O2:
Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy: Supplement to The Art of Getting Well-

From the 2,500 or more references on hydrogen peroxide we have collected and reviewed we have come to appreciate this physiological product as a[n] extremely important molecule in metabolism. Hydrogen peroxide is produced by all cells of the body for many different physiological reasons. The granulocytes produce H2O2 as a first line of defense against bacteria, yeast, virus, parasites, macrophages, and most fungi. It is involved in any metabolic pathway which utilize oxidases, peroxidases, cyclo-oxygenase, lipoxygenase, myeloperoxidase, catalase and probably many other enzymes. Hydrogen peroxide is involved in protein, carbohydrate and fat metabolism, immunity, vitamin and mineral metabolism or any other system you might wish to explore.


The article ends with:
"Manufacturers of products which claim to have the same effect as Hydrogen Peroxide may not have a good understanding of the biochemical role of Hydrogen Peroxide in the body. Some of these products claim to provide more oxygen molecules than Hydrogen Peroxide and that may be true but I know of no scientific evidence to show this enhances oxidative metabolism. Cancer and many other degenerative diseases are thought to be the results of poor cellular oxidative processes. They are not the results of a reduced supply of oxygen. Persons with anemias or severe lung disease may have an oxygen deficit but do not necessarily have a greater incidence of Cancer or chronic diseases. The problem is not the delivery of oxygen to the cells but utilization by the cells. Hydrogen Peroxide affects utilization or oxidation dramatically whereas hyper-oxygenated or chlorinated molecules have not been shown to be necessary in the body to improve oxidative metabolism9."


Many physicians and clinics are effectively using Hydrogen Peroxide intravenously with their patients.

There is a ton of literature favoring Hydrogen Peroxide treatment for various medical conditions10.

We suggest that your study of H2O2 may be an important step in your search for good health. It's worth looking into!



And that is what I am doing- trying to find a way to stay healthy. So far so good, but I have strayed a little from my planned regimen.

I started substituting "Cell Power" for my afternoon dose and skipping my nightly dose- it just boosts my energy level too much. The plan is to get back strictly on H2O2 3 times a day before flu season hits.

My two warts haven't faded away, but I wouldn't expect that in just over two weeks.

I have had an infection that has cleared up- an abscess at the base of a root canal. I hate going to the dentist, so this is good.

78 Comments:

  • At 11:27 AM, Blogger One Brow said…

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/homecure/peroxide.asp

    Internal use is considered quackery.

     
  • At 11:27 AM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Get well soon, Joe.

     
  • At 11:28 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Except that it works.

    Also it has to be done correctly.

    When did snopes become an authority on anything?

     
  • At 11:48 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    My apologies Rich.

    This therapy will not help cure your stupidity.

     
  • At 12:09 PM, Blogger One Brow said…

    If internal hydrogen peroxide really worked, your doctor would tell you to use. There is no reason to think it performs better than any other placebo.

     
  • At 12:20 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    1- Not all doctors are aware of it- especially in the USA

    2- It is not a cure-all

    3- It is not for everyone.

    4- The data demonstrates it performs very well on various diseases

     
  • At 1:50 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Supplement to
    The Art of Getting Well
    Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy
    -

    Pages 1-3 are the same as the article linked to in the OP.

    Pages 4-7 strengthen the case for such therapy.

    Also see:

    Ozone / Oxidative Therapy

     
  • At 2:06 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    That's right! Doctors have NO IDEA about it! None at all! Stoopid American doctors probably haven't even heard of H2O2, let alone the therapy because they're evilutionist Darwiniacs!

    But millions of people have heard of it through the internet!

    Good thing doctors don't have internet access....

     
  • At 2:16 PM, Blogger One Brow said…

    I didn't see one decent peer-review, double-blind test referred to at either of those links. There's just no reason to beleive drinking it will do anything.

    However, it's unlikely the peroxide will poison you. Good luck either way.

     
  • At 3:13 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Actually, blipey, doctors have been using H2O2 to treat diseases for decades.

    American doctors seem to be more likely to go with the pharmaceutical industry.

    THere isn't any money to be made with H2O2.

     
  • At 3:15 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    One Brow,

    There may be no reason that you see but there are many, many cases in which it has been known to cure illnesses, including cancer.

     
  • At 3:38 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Hydrogen Peroxide

    AT HOSPITAL SANTA MONICA we have pioneered in the administration of hydrogen peroxide to treat cancer and other conditions. Our doctors have administered over 40,000 infusions of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) intravenously and have treated thousands of patients with oral doses. Other clinics offering alternative cancer treatment are now using hydrogen peroxide routinely, and some physicians in the U.S. are experimenting with it.-

    Hydrogen Peroxide v. Prostate Cancer

    bibliography of published papers by cuban(?) doctors

     
  • At 3:45 PM, Blogger One Brow said…

    I looked over all three links. Didn't see any decent studies.

    The plural of anecdotes is not data. Cancers regress every day for no reason we can determine, there is no evidence hydrogent peroxide increases this chance.

    Howeverr, it's your life. All I can do is let you know. Good luck with the protocol.

     
  • At 4:50 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I don't think you would know a decent study if you read one.

    There is plenty of evidence H2O2 helps with getting rid of cancer.

    And even more evidence that it gets rid of emphysema.

    Your refusal to accept the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

     
  • At 5:06 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Hey, I'm not the one who made the comment "not all doctors are aware of it".

    I'm just saying that if a few million anybodys on the interwebs know about it, I'm sure the medical industry is aware of it.

     
  • At 6:40 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Not all doctors are/ were aware of it.

    I know three who didn't until I talked to them about it.

    Maybe they were the last three.

     
  • At 1:07 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Right, your doctors are the medical industry. Good to know.

     
  • At 8:20 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I never said anything about my doctors.

    IOW clownie once again you prove that you are a twisted and delusional moron.

     
  • At 8:34 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    My claim:

    1- Not all doctors are aware of it- especially in the USA-

    All it takes is ONE doctor that didn't know about it to satisfy that claim.

    I found three which means my claim is satisfied.

    Erik Pratt is sooooo stupid he didn't even understand that basic and simple fact.

    So what does Erik do? Try to move the goalpost to the medical industry.

    Erik is proud to be a piece of shit and has no problem letting people know it.

     
  • At 11:00 AM, Blogger One Brow said…

    I don't think you would know a decent study if you read one.

    You are welcome to your opinion. However, I have read a few studies from time to time, so I think I know what they tend to look like.

    Anecdotes are not reliable evidence. However, as I said before, I don't think you will do yourself any real harm. Good luck with the protocol.

     
  • At 12:06 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Facts are not anecdotes.

    Ozone and H2O2 therapies have been used succesfully for decades.

    You can ignore the facts.

    I am trying to see for myself and as I said it has already worked.

    My prediction is that if I stay on this I will not get sick or if I do it won't be that severe.

    But if I get sick and it lasts for a few days I will know it didn't work on whatever I had.

    Then I would start to have my doubts.

    And if there were only one or a few testimonies I would also have my doubts.

    But there are many.

     
  • At 2:22 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Wow, Joe. You are a piece of work. You keep saying that ozone therapy is a proven thing, yet can't provide one study that says so. You can't quote one source that cites an actual double blind study result. Yet you say that it is beyond question.

    Then, you claim that finding one doctor who doesn't know about ozone therapy makes your claim true. While technically true, there are two HUGE problems with this:

    1. Your claim obviously was that the therapy isn't used in this country because the industry is unaware of its efficacy.

    BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY

    2. You refuse to believe that IC can be refuted by finding just one possible evolutionary pathway.

    An interesting stance. Now please repeat how you accept a demonstration of principle but not in the case of refuting IC.

    Hilarious.

     
  • At 2:23 PM, Blogger One Brow said…

    Ozone and H2O2 therapies have been used succesfully for decades.


    That's the claim of homeopaths, actupunturists, and magnet sellers, as well. What they all have in common is the complete lack of studies that verify their asssertions the supposed effects are any different from placebo effects. I am not ignoring the facts, but I am aware that anecdotal evidence is highly unreliable.

    At any rate, I hope you stay healthy, regardles.

     
  • At 5:11 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    One Brow,

    There are decades worth of studies.

    What was wrong with the bibliography list I linked to?

    You are ignoring the facts.

    People with cancer do the therapy and cancer retreats.

    They stop and it returns.

    They get back on it and it retreats.

    And it is very telling that you cannot come up with any refutation other than snopes.

     
  • At 5:18 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    You keep saying that ozone therapy is a proven thing, yet can't provide one study that says so.-

    I provided many sources.

    I can't help it that you won't accept them.

    Hell you seem to accept the premise that sheer dumb luck brought us here- without any scientific support.

    Yet you say that it is beyond question.-

    Nothing is beyond question.

    It is true that your willfull ignorance means nothing to me or those any doctors who have used the therapy succesfully.

    Then, you claim that finding one doctor who doesn't know about ozone therapy makes your claim true. While technically true, there are two HUGE problems with this:-

    It is true, period and the "problems" are all in your little bitty pointed head.

    1. Your claim obviously was that the therapy isn't used in this country because the industry is unaware of its efficacy.-

    Only a twisted shit would jump to that idiotic conclusion.

    2. You refuse to believe that IC can be refuted by finding just one possible evolutionary pathway.-

    IC is not an argument against evolution you little piece of shit.

    IOW once again you think your ignorance and twisted delusions mean something.

    Also I know just about anything can be done on paper.

    And a demonstration takes place in reality, not on paper.

     
  • At 5:47 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    From the link provided above:

    Clinical Studies:

    In the 1950s Dr. Reginald Holman tested H2O2 on rats implanted with Walker 256 adenocarcinoma tumors. Their drinking water was replaced by a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide. The optimal concentration was reported to be 0.45 percent, and complete disappearance of the tumors was reported to exist from fifteen to sixty days. (9)

    In 1982 Winifred Wirth reported on the effective use of oral H2O2 in the treatment of laboratory mice infected with Ehrlich carcinoma. Effectiveness was judged by the decrease in mortality and the delayed onset of palpable tumor incidence. (18)
    -

    Research and Information

    The International Bio-Oxidative Medicine Foundation is an organization of physicians and scientists who are carrying out research on the effects of oxygen therapy or studying its clinical application. The foundation sponsors the annual International Conference on Bio-Oxidative Medicine and also produces the IBOM Newsletter. The studies presented at the IBOM conferences have done much to increase the credibility of such oxidative therapies as those using H2O2 and ozone O3. Information about the IBOM Foundation can be found in the appendix.

    In September 1984 Walter Grotz began publishing the ECHO Newsletter; this newsletter, written for the lay reader, presents information on hydrogen peroxide's many applications.
    -

     
  • At 5:49 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

  • At 6:57 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    IC is not an argument against evolution? Really? Really?? Really???

    I believe IC is defined as:

    a characteristic of an object that disallows an evolutionary process in its development, a system so simple that here can be no conceivable way in which a simpler system was modified in order to create it. An IC system HAD TO HAVE BEEN DESIGNED.

    So, that's a pretty good argument AGAINST evolution.

    You should really tell Behe an the Disco Institute that IC isn't an argument against ToE.

    Maybe they'll stop using it! HaHaHahahahahha

     
  • At 7:31 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    IC is an argument against non-telic processes only.

    That is according to Dr Behe, Dembski, Wells, Meyer, and most likely everyone at the Discovery Institute.

    I even went through the excercise of spelling it out for you:

    Biological Evolution, what is being debated-

    Dr Behe's arguments are against unintelligent/ undirected processes only.

    That much is clear by reading his books, essays and other articles.

    Dr Behe wrote:

    "Although some news reporters, lawyers, and parents are confused on the topic, “intelligent design” is not the opposite of “evolution.” As some biologists before Darwin theorized, organisms might have descended with modification and be related by common descent, but the process might have been guided by some form of intelligence or teleological driving force in nature. Darwin’s chief contribution was not the simple idea of common descent, but the hypothesis that evolution is driven completely by ateleological mechanisms, prominently including random variation and natural selection. Intelligent design has no proper argument with the bare idea of common descent; rather, it disputes the sufficiency of ateleological mechanisms to explain all facets of biology. Those who fail to grasp such distinctions are like people who can’t distinguish between the ideas of Darwin and, say, Lamarck."-

    As I said clownie your ignorance may be meaningless, but is is hilarious.

    Keep flailing away you ignorant SoB...

     
  • At 12:13 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    What is actually being debated and what YOU think is being debated are usually wholly separate things.

    As I said, tell the Disco Institute what it is that's being debated.

     
  • At 8:41 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    What is actually being debated and what YOU think is being debated are usually wholly separate things.-

    Nope you are the ignorant one. I have been following this for decades.

    I can quote the DI, Behe, Dembski and any number of IDists that support my claims.

    You cannot support anything you say pertaining to this debate.

    The DI on ID:

    The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

    Dr Behe:

    In fact, my argument for intelligent design is open to direct experimental rebuttal. Here is a thought experiment that makes the point clear. In Darwin’s Black Box (Behe 1996) I claimed that the bacterial flagellum was irreducibly complex and so required deliberate intelligent design. In fact, my argument for intelligent design is open to direct experimental rebuttal. Here is a thought experiment that makes the point clear. In Darwin’s Black Box (Behe 1996) I claimed that the bacterial flagellum was irreducibly complex and so required deliberate intelligent design. The flip side of this claim is that the flagellum can’t be produced by natural selection acting on random mutation, or any other unintelligent process. To falsify such a claim, a scientist could go into the laboratory, place a bacterial species lacking a flagellum under some selective pressure (for mobility, say), grow it for ten thousand generations, and see if a flagellum--or any equally complex system--was produced. If that happened, my claims would be neatly disproven.(1) To falsify such a claim, a scientist could go into the laboratory, place a bacterial species lacking a flagellum under some selective pressure (for mobility, say), grow it for ten thousand generations, and see if a flagellum--or any equally complex system--was produced. If that happened, my claims would be neatly disproven

    Note the sentence:

    The flip side of this claim is that the flagellum can’t be produced by natural selection acting on random mutation, or any other unintelligent process.

    Oops EXACTLY as I have been saying.

     
  • At 9:15 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    But, Joe. Why not? Behe certainly doesn't back his statement up ith anything.

    And various parts of most of his IC objects have been sown to, in fact, not be IC: the immune system, the flagellum, the mouse trap certainly, the blood clotting cascade.... All of these things have been shown to have simpler precursors. Perhaps you should tell Behe what "irreducible" means.

     
  • At 9:30 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    So Erik Pratt thinks that his ignoirance and false assertions are meaningful discourse.

    And various parts of most of his IC objects have been sown to, in fact, not be IC.

    It is the system as a whole you moron.

    Also no simpler precursor to the flagellum has been found.

    The TTSS 1- is not a precursor and 2 is itself IC.

    The same goes for the immune system and blood clotting.

    Irreducible Complexity is an Obstacle to Darwinism Even if Parts of a System have other Functions

    And to refute Behe all you have to do is to start substantiating your claims.

    However all you can do is lie and spew your ignorance.

    Why is that?

     
  • At 9:43 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    I understand it's the system as a whole. These systems all have simpler precursors--most especially the stoopid mousetrap example.

    And no, co-opting pre-existing things in order to create an immune system is not an obstacle to ToE, it's a prediction of ToE.

     
  • At 12:21 PM, Blogger One Brow said…

    Bibliography of research One Brow sez doesn't exist

    In a very ironic accident, your link doean't work. I have tried to to click on it on two different computers, and it reads as text.

    Two studies, 30 years apart? Studies with false positives happen every year. Where's the confirmation?

    Some people with cancer do the therapy, the cancer retreats, and the anecdote gets put up on the Web as evidence. Most people, the cancer gets worse, and you never hear about it. Meanwhile, some people who don't do the therapy have the cancer retreat, and the website never meantions them, either.

    I really don't feel like arguing about this further. The therapy isn't going to cost you much or do you much harm, as long as you don't forego seeing a doctor as well.

     
  • At 8:28 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    These systems all have simpler precursors--most especially the stoopid mousetrap example.-

    Prove it.

    I bet you cannot.

    And no, co-opting pre-existing things in order to create an immune system is not an obstacle to ToE, it's a prediction of ToE.-

    The ToE doesn't make any predictions based on the proposed mechanisms.

     
  • At 8:34 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    What link doesn't work?

    bibliography link works for me.

    And I don't care what you think.

    You appear incapable of doing any research.

     
  • At 11:11 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Well, Joe. Providing anything like proof, research, or reasoning to you is a waste of time. As will be proven by your answer to this question:

    Does finding a simpler mousetrap than Behe's falsify the idea of Behe's Irreducible Mousetrap?

    Yes or no.

     
  • At 11:56 AM, Blogger One Brow said…

    Yes, it worked the second time. You have posted that list before, I think. Many are abotu the dangers of too much ozone. How many of those individual papers have you read?

    Still, since you don't care what I think, good luck.

     
  • At 1:26 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Providing anything like proof, research, or reasoning to you is a waste of time.

    I never asked for proof and it is obvious that you cannot provide anything.

    Does finding a simpler mousetrap than Behe's falsify the idea of Behe's Irreducible Mousetrap?

    Behe answered that already:

    "The trap described above is not the only system that can immobilize a mouse. On other occasions my family has used a glue trap. In theory, at least, one can use a box propped open with a stick that could be tripped. Or one could simply shoot the mouse with a BB gun. These are not physical precursors to the standard mousetrap, however, since they cannot be transformed, step by Darwinian step, into a trap with a base, hammer, spring, catch, and holding bar."-

    So it all depends on what that simpler mousetrap is.

    Ya see when Behe is talking about one thing and someone then says "yeah but look at this over here", it is a sure sign of intellectual cowardice and dishonesty- a typical bait-n-switch tactic.

     
  • At 1:28 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    One Brow,

    There is more scientific data which demonstrates that ozone and H2O2 succesfully treat diseases then there is that chimps and humans share a common ancestor.

    And thank you my treatment has already clerared up one major infection.

     
  • At 1:46 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    blipey: These systems all have simpler precursors--most especially the stoopid mousetrap example.

    JoeG: Prove it.

    I bet you cannot.


    JoeG (4 comments later): I never asked for proof and it is obvious that you cannot provide anything.

    When the crazy wheel slows down, where will we be...?

     
  • At 1:56 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Perhaps you should forget about the glue trap (no one was talking about a glue trap) and focus on a simpler mousetrap involving other things, Joe.

    again, is it conceivable to have a simpler mousetrap using some of the stuff in Behe's?

    Yes or no.

    You might try Googling before you answer.

     
  • At 5:54 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Erik,

    Two different things.

    Yes if you say there is something, like a precursor, then it is up to you to "prove it".

    No I do not require proof that chimps and humans shared a common ancestor.

    But anyways I have noticed that you have continually failed to produce anything.

     
  • At 6:02 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Perhaps you should forget about the glue trap (no one was talking about a glue trap) and focus on a simpler mousetrap involving other things, Joe.

    Make your case or fuck off.

    I know you like to play games but I am tired of your continued nonsense.

    So make your case.

     
  • At 6:06 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Perhaps clownie didn't understand the post pertaining to the mousetrap. The post in which I referenced the following:

    old mcdonald built a mousetrap

    It took agency involvement to make the changes.

    So yes agency involvement can produce a more complex IC structure out of existing parts.

    What has NEVER been demonstrated is non-telic processes doing the same.

     
  • At 1:40 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Oh, I understand, Joe. I just want you to continue to share your opinions with the world. I don't ever want you to stop.

     
  • At 11:14 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Erik,

    You haven't demonstrated any ability to understand.

    Having your comments available for anyone to read is a huge help for me to make my case.

    Thank you.

     
  • At 3:48 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Aaawwww. Too timid to keep publishing?

     
  • At 10:20 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Awwww still too ignorant and retarded to post something worth publishing?

     
  • At 9:38 AM, Blogger One Brow said…

    Joe G.,

    I'm glad your infection is cleared up. I hope your good health continues.

    The hydrogen peroxide had nothing to do with it, though. Look up post hoc ergo propter hoc. On the other hand, I'm sure it did you no harm.

     
  • At 9:41 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The H2O2 cleared up the infection.

    There isn't any doubt about it.

    But then again arguing from ignorance seems to be all you have.

     
  • At 9:49 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    1- I have an infection

    2- I try anti-biotics- they do not work

    3- I try mouthwash (dentist recomendation)- not effective

    4- I have the infection drained- it comes back

    5- The infection persists through medical intervention

    6- Many months later I start drinking H2O2 because the infection seems to be spreading

    7- Within a week the infection has diminished

    8- Three weeks later the sore in my mouth is gone and so is the puss-filled sack.

    To sum up- infection persists when medical treatment is applied.

    It persists when I do nothing.

    It went away during my H2O2 therapy.

     
  • At 10:45 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Maybe you had herpes. It is an infection that there is really no treatment for, most human beings will get, and many fight it off over the course of a few years.

    Look! An explanation for an infection clearing up after a few months, even though modern medicine couldn't do anything about it!

    I don't think you experiment is all that exhaustive, Joe. It is, however, right up your alley:

    It looks like H2O2 worked so it must be the H2O2.

    Anywho...any headway on the Stonehenge looks designed so it must be designed front?

     
  • At 11:14 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Yes Erik you would know about herpes.

    And your ignorance isn't meaningful discourse Erik.

     
  • At 11:35 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    It is an infection that there is really no treatment for, most human beings will get, and many fight it off over the course of a few years.

    Reference please.

    I am sure the medical community would love to gear about people ridding themselves of herpes.

     
  • At 4:21 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Here you go, Joe. It's the wiki entry, but there are over 100 papers referenced in it about the treatment of herpes. The WebMD site also has good information.

    Herpes Simplex 1 and 2

    While it's true that the virus never leaves the body after contraction, many people manage to become totally asymptomatic--that means cured for all intents and purposes, Joe (though still potentially contagious)--after a few years.

    So, on the front of your symptoms clearing up, my example is a perfect analogy. From the article:

    An immunity to the virus is built over time. Most infected individuals will experience fewer outbreaks and outbreak symptoms will often become less severe. After several years, some people will become perpetually asymptomatic and will no longer experience outbreaks, though they may still be contagious to others.

     
  • At 4:59 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    While it's true that the virus never leaves the body after contraction, many people manage to become totally asymptomatic--that means cured for all intents and purposes,

    You are truly a moron.

    There isn't any analogy.

    If I had done NOTHING and it cleared up there may be some connection.

    But then again I don't expect you to understand that.

     
  • At 5:21 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    That's the analogy, Joe. Nice job!!!

    You could have done nothing and in a few months (your mentioned time frame) your symptoms may have cleared up.

    Well done!

     
  • At 5:24 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    There isn't any analogy because I actually did something that is supposed to clear it up and it cleared up.

    There is no reason to believe it would have cleared up had I not started the H2O2 routine.

     
  • At 5:29 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    There might be. You seemed to think that herpes simplex 2 was a perpetual symptomatic disease. It's not. In many case it clears up completely--after a long time frame. As do cancers and many other diseases. With no medical explanation.

    That's why we do double blind studies. Your H2O2 trial is not an experiment; there is no control group. And therefore no reason to believe that the H2O2 did anything.

     
  • At 5:39 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    You seemed to think that herpes simplex 2 was a perpetual symptomatic disease.

    Nope that thought never crossed my mind.

    However it is obvious that all you can do is "debate" via bald assertions and false accusations.

    It's the evotard way.

    Again I do not care what you say.

    What you and One Brow say is completely meaningless.

     
  • At 5:51 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Well, if you didn't believe that herpes simplex 2 was perpetually symptomatic, the analogy should have dawned on you immediately. That it did not, seems to belie your last statement.

     
  • At 9:06 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    There isn't any analogy because herpes still exists in those people even though they don't show any symptoms.

    However if they take H2O2 it will kill the herpes virus.

    It may be the only known cure.

     
  • At 10:34 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    1- I had an infection

    2- Anti-biotics did not work

    3- Doing nothing did not work

    4- I start drinking dilluted H2)2 which is known to get rid of infections

    5- My infection clears up

    6- Only ignorant assholes would think that H2O2 didn't have anything to do with the infection clearing up

     
  • At 11:24 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    My building's on fire.

    1. I play patty cake. The fire doesn't go out.

    2. I watch TV. The fire doesn't go out.

    3. I run in circles very fast. The fire doesn't go out.

    4. I exhale more than usual, producing an elevated level of CO2 (known to put out fires).

    5. The fire goes out.

    6. Only morons think that breathing hard doesn't put out house fires.

    Wow. This ID logic is easy. I sure wish those evilutionist Darwiniacs would've let me learn it in school.

     
  • At 11:53 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Except your scenario doesn't have anything to do with logic.

    1- Doctors claimed that anti-biotics would clear up my infection- based on some double-blind test I would imagine

    2- YOU said doing nothing would also cure my infection- however I do not believe in miracles

    3- H2O2 is proven to work on infections- just because a clown- Erik Pratt- refuses to do any research and handwaves away all the research I present- doesn't mean anything to the thousands of people this therapy has helped.

    4- You have proven time and again that your position doesn't have anything at all beyond the refusal to accept the design inference.

    5- You are a coward, liar, loser and deluded.

     
  • At 12:23 PM, Blogger One Brow said…

    To sum up- infection persists when medical treatment is applied.

    It persists when I do nothing.

    It went away during my H2O2 therapy


    It also happened after I started posting here. How do you know it wasn't my posts? It's the same logic for both.

    Still, nice to hear your infection has cleared.

     
  • At 12:36 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    No, I never said that doing nothing would clear up your infection. I gave an example where an infection cleared up without doing anything (there is a difference).

    I have not said that H2O2 does nothing. I have voiced an opinion that I don't believe it would do much. I have also asked for a STUDY that says otherwise. You have provided no STUDY.

     
  • At 7:37 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Nope the infection cleared before you started posting.

     
  • At 8:44 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Huh? That couldn't be more beside the point.

     
  • At 8:55 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Erik,

    I have provided studies.

    I have also provided an organization from which you could get a lot of information.

     
  • At 9:01 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Erik,

    Just about everything you post is beside the point.

     
  • At 9:06 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    You do understand that the point deals with "how long" and not "when"? Those are different things.

     
  • At 9:38 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Erik,

    I was responging to One Brow who claimed my infection cleared up because he started posting here.

     
  • At 10:30 AM, Blogger Clare Doolan said…

    Great blog. Lots of of interesting information. I've also heard of the healing benefits of taking H2O2 internally and I'm going to try it for myself. For the next 25 days I'm going to test the theory and blog about my experience at http://claredoolan.com/hydrogen-peroxide-therapy-my-experience/

     
  • At 10:31 AM, Blogger Clare Doolan said…

    Great blog. Lots of of interesting information. I've also heard of the healing benefits of taking H2O2 internally and I'm going to try it for myself. For the next 25 days I'm going to test the theory and blog about my experience at http://claredoolan.com/hydrogen-peroxide-therapy-my-experience/

     
  • At 11:02 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    HI Clare- The best test, IMHO, is during flu season. I haven't gotten sick yet and I haven't received a flu shot in many years.

     

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