Water, Ice and Steam
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For some reason I am getting flak for saying that ice is not water, even though I clarified that by stating ice is water that has been frozen.
My reasoning is as follows:
1- Water is a liquid
2- Ice is a solid
3- Steam is a vapor(gas)/ mist
For example when I order a double Captain on the rocks I get a good amount of Captain Morgans poured over ICE. I do not get a good amount of Captain poured in some water.
When I go into a resturant and order a glass of water without ice, they do not bring me an empty glass. If I just order a glass of water they do not bring me a glass of ice nor a glass of steam. Unless they are out of ice I would get a glass of water with some ice floating in it.
So bartenders know and understand the difference between the three. Waiters and waitresses also know and understand the differences between the three.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that it is a given that most people know and understand the difference between the three.
Not only that we can DEMONSTRATE the differences.
Yet I have this alleged PHD in chemstry- Doc Bill- telling me that I am a moron for suggesting there is a difference.
Another Tard Bloviating Chicanery
For some reason I am getting flak for saying that ice is not water, even though I clarified that by stating ice is water that has been frozen.
My reasoning is as follows:
1- Water is a liquid
2- Ice is a solid
3- Steam is a vapor(gas)/ mist
For example when I order a double Captain on the rocks I get a good amount of Captain Morgans poured over ICE. I do not get a good amount of Captain poured in some water.
When I go into a resturant and order a glass of water without ice, they do not bring me an empty glass. If I just order a glass of water they do not bring me a glass of ice nor a glass of steam. Unless they are out of ice I would get a glass of water with some ice floating in it.
So bartenders know and understand the difference between the three. Waiters and waitresses also know and understand the differences between the three.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that it is a given that most people know and understand the difference between the three.
Not only that we can DEMONSTRATE the differences.
Yet I have this alleged PHD in chemstry- Doc Bill- telling me that I am a moron for suggesting there is a difference.
Another Tard Bloviating Chicanery
posted by Joe G @ 11:04 AM
27 Comments:
At 11:41 AM,
Zachriel said…
Joe G: Water is a liquid
No. Water is a chemical substance (H2O) that can be found in solid, liquid or gaseous states.
At 11:54 AM,
Joe G said…
Zachriel:
Water is a chemical substance (H2O) that can be found in solid, liquid or gaseous states.
No. H2O is the chemical substance which can be found in solid, ie Ice, liquid, ie water or gas, ie steam, states.
At 12:49 PM,
Zachriel said…
Joe G: Hail is made out of water?
Are you really that stupid?
At 3:26 PM,
Joe G said…
Hail is ice- are you really that stupid?
At 4:06 PM,
Joe G said…
So which came first- ice or water?
Well it is said that Earth's water came from ice stored in meteors, comets and asteroids.
So perhaps it is more correct to say that water is formed by melting ice, and can then form back into ice given the proper conditions.
At 5:19 PM,
CBD said…
Joe,
How many types of ice do you think there are? Just the one?
At 6:33 PM,
Joe G said…
OM:
How many types of ice do you think there are?
Well in the context of that one-word and water- however there is dry ice, and I am sure there are a number of other liquids that can be frozen.
What's your point?
At 8:29 PM,
oleg said…
Joe wrote: So perhaps it is more correct to say that water is formed by melting ice, and can then form back into ice given the proper conditions.
Joe, this kind of logic leads to trouble.
The water flowing from your tap was recently vapor that condensed in the atmosphere and fell down as rain. before then, it was (liquid) water and before then it could have been ice. It makes no sense to claim that all other forms of water are frozen water or evaporated water. It leads to an infinite regression.
A simple resolution of this conundrum is to say that water exists in different forms: liquid, solid*, and gaseous.
*Oh, and as OM mentioned, there are different forms of solid water. Physicists distinguish 15 different phases of ice. Just think about that.
At 7:36 AM,
Joe G said…
oleg:
Joe, this kind of logic leads to trouble.
No, the "logic" that sez water is ice and ice is water leads to trouble.
olegt:
The water flowing from your tap was recently vapor that condensed in the atmosphere and fell down as rain.
How recently was it vapor? And what was it before that?
As I said according to your scenario all water on Earth started as ice in meteors, comets and asteroids.
oleg:
A simple resolution of this conundrum is to say that water exists in different forms: liquid, solid*, and gaseous.
I did, are you that stupid/ dishonest you didn't read that?
OM:
*Oh, and as OM mentioned, there are different forms of solid water.
He? didn't mention it here.
At 12:14 PM,
CBD said…
Joe,
How many types of ice are there?
The answer may surprise you...
At 9:50 PM,
Unknown said…
Arguing about what water is? Seriously?
The problem is a simple failure to communicate. When one defines a substance by its colloquial name but really intends to describe it chemically, one starts out by confusing any dialog, like what we see in this comment thread.
Surely we can all agree that:
Water is H2O -- the chemical combination that is water, that is. Water is made of hydrogen and oxygen, in a specific configuration.
If you proceed with that definition of water, there would be no argument.
So water, or H2O, can be found in a few forms/states. And we all know about the water cycle, which incorporates 3 states of water--ice (snow, hail), vapor (when it evaporates), and liquid (rain).
Why would anyone argue about water? Small children understand water in its various states.
Why complicate things like this?
At 7:03 AM,
Joe G said…
OM:
How many types of ice are there?
I see you are still having prioblems actually making a point.
The problem with your question is it is too vague- "types of ice" can mean more than one thing.
So perhaps it would be better if you just made your point and tell us how it has any relevance to my OP.
At 7:06 AM,
Joe G said…
TFT:
Arguing about what water is? Seriously?
I know it is ridiculous but some people are insisting that ice = water and water = ice.
TFT:
Why would anyone argue about water?
Ask the evotards who are making a big deal out of it.
At 9:33 AM,
CBD said…
Joe
The problem with your question is it is too vague- "types of ice" can mean more than one thing.
OK, then let's try "how many types of ice are out there if we divide them up by their distinct physical properties?".
I.E. if two samples of ice exhibit different behavior to each other, categorize them as different. Now, after that process how many different types of ice are there?
It's not complex stuff Joe.
At 9:36 AM,
Joe G said…
OM:
OK, then let's try "how many types of ice are out there if we divide them up by their distinct physical properties?".
Why don't you try just making your point and supporting it with facts, data and/ or evidence?
And then tell us how your point has relevance to the OP.
At 11:00 AM,
Joe G said…
I take the sound of crickets as emaning OM cannot tell us what his point is and cannot tell us the relevance that point has to my OP.
Life is good...
At 7:49 AM,
CBD said…
Joe
My reasoning is as follows:
1- Water is a liquid
2- Ice is a solid
3- Steam is a vapor(gas)/ mist
Some solids are more solid then others. Ice is one of those solids.
For example when I order a double Captain on the rocks I get a good amount of Captain Morgans poured over ICE.
Which one of these types of "ICE" would you be referring to Joe?
Amorphous ice
Ice Ih
Ice Ic
Ice II
Ice III
Ice IV
Ice V
Ice VI
Ice VII
Ice VIII
Ice IX
Ice X
Ice XI
Ice XII
Ice XIII
Ice XIV
Ice XV
IOW it's obvious that your usage of the term "ICE" is perfectly acceptable, after all you are a lay person and not a scientist.
But if you are discussing the science of "ICE" then you'll need to be a bit more specific.
If I just order a glass of water they do not bring me a glass of ice nor a glass of steam. Unless they are out of ice I would get a glass of water with some ice floating in it.
And if you were to go to a lab that can make all the types of "ICE" I listed above then you'd have to be more specific.
So all of those ICES are types of "frozen water".
So, Joe, the question is
"Is a single molecule of H20 liquid, solid or vapor?"
At 8:36 AM,
Joe G said…
OM:
Some solids are more solid then others. Ice is one of those solids.
What does that have to do with anything I am saying?
OM:
But if you are discussing the science of "ICE" then you'll need to be a bit more specific.
I ain't discussing the sience of ice asshole.
OM:
So, Joe, the question is
"Is a single molecule of H20 liquid, solid or vapor?"
What is the relevance of the question? Please be specific.
At 8:47 AM,
Joe G said…
OM:
IOW it's obvious that your usage of the term "ICE" is perfectly acceptable, after all you are a lay person and not a scientist.
Said the scientifically illiterate asshole...
At 8:53 AM,
Joe G said…
And OM I am not impressed that you can cut-n-paste from wikipedia.
That doesn't make you a scientist...
At 8:56 AM,
Joe G said…
For example when I order a double Captain on the rocks I get a good amount of Captain Morgans poured over ICE.
OM:
Which one of these types of "ICE" would you be referring to Joe?
Ice Ih.
Happy now?
At 9:35 AM,
Joe G said…
So ice Ih is the ice that goes into my drink and ice Ih is also the ice hail is made of.
Therefor we can infer that OM's distraction was borne of his ignorance.
At 12:06 PM,
CBD said…
Joe,
Is a single molecule of H20 liquid, solid or vapor?
At 12:08 PM,
CBD said…
Joe
What is the relevance of the question?
The relevance is that if ice is water that has been frozen, can we tell that from looking at a single molecule?
If a single molecule of H20 can be determined to be water, ice or steam then how is ice not H20, how is water not H20 and how is steam not H20?
Therefore you are wrong.
At 5:23 PM,
Joe G said…
Om:
Is a single molecule of H20 liquid, solid or vapor?
Only an asshole would ask such a question.
OM:
The relevance is that if ice is water that has been frozen, ...
Actually I think water is ice that has melted. Haven't you been following along?
OM:
If a single molecule of H20 can be determined to be water, ice or steam then how is ice not H20, how is water not H20 and how is steam not H20?
I said each is H2O you ignorant mother fucker. But a single molecule is neither a liquid, a gas nor a solid you moronic fuck.
Therefor you are a typical loser...
At 2:49 PM,
CBD said…
Joe
I said each is H2O you ignorant mother fucker. But a single molecule is neither a liquid, a gas nor a solid you moronic fuck.
Ah, but Joe the real question is, is it water?
At 8:25 PM,
Joe G said…
OM:
Ah, but Joe the real question is, is it water?
The real answer is only an asshole would ask such a question.
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