Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Tuesday, February 09, 2010

More Evidence for Intelligent Design- Wet Electricity

Wet electricity.

Whereas the electricity that powers our computers comes from the flow of electrons through a conductor and “hates” water, the electricity that runs our bodies is designed for a wet environment and uses pumped ions to help convey differing messages to our command center.

In this environment mere electrons are of little use because they would be easily dispersed. What is needed is something bigger. And as I eluded to in my opening an ion or ions will fit the bill. Well there just happen to be two atoms well suited for ionization- two atoms with 1 outer valence electron.

If we take a look at the Periodic Table, and also a look at the electron shell arrangement (note the sodium diagram on the right and also thepotassium arrangement, we see these atoms are perfect fits for the job of positive ions (as both have only one outer valence electron).

Now we have the ions but we need a way for them to get into and out of the cell-> Ion Channels

Ion channels are proteins that line holes in the plasma membrane. They can open on demand to let ions in and out of the cell. They allow nerve impulses to travel, cause your heart to beat, and allow your muscles to contract. In many cells, channels and another kind of protein called a pump together maintain a relatively constant negative charge within your cells. This net negative charge, or membrane potential, affects the entry and exit of a variety of materials. page 15 of Bioinformatics, Genomics, and Proteomics: Getting the Big Picture

10 million to 100 million per second!

The importance of these precise structures and hence functioning of protein machines like these channels cannot be understated. Potassium channels, like other channels that pass other ions from one side of the cell membrane to the other, have a particular architecture that allows them to open and close upon command. We now know that intricately designed and mechanically fine-tuned ion channels determine the rhythm and allow an electrical impulse initiated when we stub our toe to be transmitted to the brain.- Ibid page 19

However even these, in comparison to electrons, huge ions also get lost in the wet environment. So what is needed are pumps along the way to pump ions in and also out. In the case of our nerve cells, ions go in to start the signal and are pumped out to reset that part of the system so it is ready for the next (or continuing) sensation. See nerve cell.

(Some venoms and poisons effect these pumps (stop them from working) thereby shutting down the nervous system of the inflicted- ie paralysis sets in.)

However our nerves to not touch each other as wires do in an electrical system to make a circuit. Neurons have functional connections called synapses. These can connect neuron to neuron or other types of cells (for example muscle). Between the synapse and the next cell is a gap- the synaptic cleft.

This gap is too large for even ions to traverse. So to make the connection- to send the signal from one cell to the next, neurotransmitters are sent. These flow in one direction. And once the neurotransmitters reach their destination, that cell responds accordingly, and all the neurotransmitters are dismantled and shuttled back to the transmitting site to be refabbed and ready for the next signal. (some do linger a bit longer and then disperse)

This is key because if the neurotransmitters stay docked the receiving cell would remain locked in that sensation. And if any unused neurotransmitters- the synaptic cleft is basically flooded to ensure signal transmission- remain they will just fill in the docking site when the first arrivals are gone. IOW the receiving cell will be locked in that past sensation.

And there are different types of neurotransmitters for different sensations and purposes.

How is this evidence for ID?

The nervous system exhibits planning- it takes planning to get the right ions, ion channels, pumps and neurotransmitters.


  • At 9:54 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    So, no new ideas here? It looks designed, so it must be. Carry on.

  • At 2:14 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    True- blipey (Erik Pratt) has no new ideas here.

    He can only try to mock what he cannot comprehend.

    If something merely "looks designed" that is more than enough reason to investigate the possibility.

    But that misses the point.

    The nervous system not only looks designed, there isn't any way for any other mechanism to put it together.

    So we have the elimination of chance and necessity PLUS a specification.

    But anyways it bothers assholes like Erik that they can't support their position so all they can do pontificate.

  • At 12:54 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    There's nothing in your post about the impossibility of "putting it together" with respect to the nervous system, Joe.

    Just a bunch of incredulity.

  • At 11:45 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    There's nothing in your post about the impossibility of "putting it together" with respect to the nervous system, Joe.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    If you were able to understand the evidence we could have a discussion.

    However you have never demonstrated that capability.

    Yet you feel the need to inject your ignorance.

    Just a bunch of incredulity.

    That would be your position.

  • At 1:27 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Perhaps you could highlight one sentence from your post that could be interpreted as "it is impossible for the nervous system to have developed"?... Maybe a paragraph?...

  • At 1:44 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Perhaps you could highlight one sentence from your post that could be interpreted as "it is impossible for the nervous system to have developed"?...

    Why would I say that?

    Obviously it could develop if it was designed to do so.

    However there isn't any evidence that demonstrates an accumlation of genetic accidents could come up with a nerve cell, never mind the nervous system.

  • At 2:00 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Um, so you don't want to say that something couldn't happen...if it was designed that way....

    But, the only way we can determine if it could happen is by studying the design...

    But we don't know if it's designed unless we look at the object in such a way as to determine that it couldn't have arisen without design...

    But you don't want to say that...

    So, therefor it's designed!

    that's cool.

  • At 8:58 AM, Blogger Joe G said…


    You have no idea what the fuck you are even talking about.

    Thank you for continuing to prove that you are an ignorant fuck who couldn't assess the evidence if its life depended on it.

  • At 1:05 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Have you thrown out Dembski's Filter then?

  • At 8:49 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    So we have the elimination of chance and necessity PLUS a specification.

    That is how the EF works.

    But thank you for proving that you are a clueless dolt.

    Do you really think that your stupidity is meaningful discourse?


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