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Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Thursday, May 07, 2015

Richie Hughes- Ignorant Liar of Nested Hierarchies

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Richie the big coward Hughes has spewed that I am wrong in my assessment of evolutionism and nested hierarchies. That means Darwin, Mayr, Denton, Wagner, et al., are also wrong. Unfortunately for Richie he just spewed that I am wrong without actually trying to show that I am.


Nested hierarchies require distinct groups. That is their trademark, just look at Linnaean Classification and all existing nested hierarchies- oops she doesn't know what they are!

Extinction has only defined the groups: it has by no means made them; for if every form which has ever lived on this earth were suddenly to reappear, though it would be quite impossible to give definitions by which each group could be distinguished, still a natural classification, or at least a natural arrangement, would be possible.- Charles Darwin chapter 14
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There is another stringent condition which must be satisfied if a hierarchic pattern is to result as the end product of an evolutionary process: no ancestral forms can be permitted to survive. This can be seen by examining the tree diagram on page 135. If any of the ancestors X, Y, or Z, or if any of the hypothetical transitional connecting species stationed on the main branches of the tree, had survived and had therefore to be included in the classification scheme, the distinctness of the divisions would be blurred by intermediate or partially inclusive classes and what remained of the hierarchic pattern would be highly disordered.- Denton, “Evolution: A Theory in Crisis” page 136 (X, Y and Z are hypothetical parental node populations)
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The goals of scientists like Linnaeus and Cuvier- to organize the chaos of life’s diversity- are much easier to achieve if each species has a Platonic essence that distinguishes it from all others, in the same way that the absence of legs and eyelids is essential to snakes and distinguishes it from other reptiles. In this Platonic worldview, the task of naturalists is to find the essence of each species. Actually, that understates the case: In an essentialist world, the essence really is the species. Contrast this with an ever-changing evolving world, where species incessantly spew forth new species that can blend with each other. The snake Eupodophis from the late Cretaceous period, which had rudimentary legs, and the glass lizard, which is alive today and lacks legs, are just two of many witnesses to the blurry boundaries of species. Evolution’s messy world is anathema to the clear, pristine order essentialism craves. It is thus no accident that Plato and his essentialism became the “great antihero of evolutionism,” as the twentieth century zoologist Ernst Mayr called it.- Andreas Wagner, “Arrival of the Fittest”, pages 9-10
AGAIN, Linnaean taxonomy is the observed nested hierarchy and it has nothing to do with descent with modification. The US Army is a nested hierarchy and it has nothing to do with descent with modification.

Transitional forms, by their very nature, would ruin a nested hierarchy by blurring the lines of distinction.

Evos are so stupid that they think that just because a nested hierarchy can be depicted as a branching tree pattern that all branching tree patterns form a nested hierarchy.

Rich TARD Hughes is a pathetic imp who couldn't explain what a nested hierarchy is nor why unguided evolution would predict one. Well all evoTARDs fit that category.

64 Comments:

  • At 3:10 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Here's where you chickened out of your bet, Joe:

    http://www.skepticink.com/tippling/2013/04/07/cdesign-proponent-joeg-loses-10000-bet-and-chickens-out/

     
  • At 3:59 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I didn't chicken out. I won the bet, you moron.

    Just because my opponents can lie and misrepresent what I said just proves my point.

     
  • At 4:18 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You lost. If you think you didn't , put the money in escrow and find out you did.

     
  • At 4:46 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Umm this OP alone is proof that I won you ignorant asshole.

     
  • At 5:35 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Bwakakakakakakaka!!!!


    Joe lays another egg.

     
  • At 6:05 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    All evidence to the contrary, of course. And your pathetic cheerleading, while tiring, is still amusing.

    I won the bet. Part of my proof is in the OP. So no more escrow bullshit as I am already out $10,000.

    I will meet any evolutionist- both with $10,000 in hand- and we will go from there. Now I also have Andreas Wagner on my side.

    All you and yours have is a total misunderstanding of what a nested hierarchy entails. Andy Schuler proved it, that he doesn't know, with his answer when I asked him where mammal-like reptiles would go in a nested hierarchy.

    So whatever, Richie, you are an ignorant piece of shit coward who would never ante up and try to prove I am wrong.

     
  • At 7:21 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    That's not how it works and you never show up in person. You both put $10k in escrow and experts adjudicate, then you lose.

     
  • At 7:26 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Of course that is how it works. Only an ignorant coward would say otherwise. I will definitely show up and I already have 6 experts on my side. And I have already won.

    You wouldn't know because you are an ignorant little cheerleader.

    However if you can make a case against my claim then I will do as you request.

     
  • At 7:30 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Given your well documented cowardice and inability to tell the truth Joe, that's how it works - trusted third parties. Anything else is you simply dodging, keyboard warrior. Plus, you don't have 10k.

     
  • At 7:30 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You have an outstanding bet with Andreas

     
  • At 7:35 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I won the bet with Andreas, you moron. The proof is in this OP.

    You are the well-known coward and pathological liar, cupcake. And I have more than $10,000. And when Andy pays up I will have $10,000 more.

    Nice to see that you cowered away from presenting a case against me. Andreas FAILed also. He actually said I was right then mumbled something about no expects all the transitional forms to be alive at the same time- as if that helps him.

     
  • At 7:38 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Andreas sez I am wrong yet agrees with me

    And he was too stupid to understand why he agreed with me.

     
  • At 7:47 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    "Regardless of what is eventually learned about the evolution of Clarkia/Heterogaura, the complex nature of evolutionary processes yields patterns that are more complex than can be represented by the simple hierarchical models of either monophyletic systematization or Linnaean classification." Knox, Eri, The use of hierarchies as organizational models
    in systematics

     
  • At 7:48 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    So put that 10k in escrow and so will he. You won't, and everyone knows why.

    You claiming that things 'agree with you' and them actually doing that is not the same.

     
  • At 8:10 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie, asshole cupcake, I won the bet. It is all over. There isn't any doubt that what I posted agrees with me.

    Morons like you make great jurors for guilty people.

    You won't even try to make a case against me and everyone knows why.

     
  • At 8:23 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    If you're so confident you've won, why aren't you putting funds in escrow? We all know why.

     
  • At 8:25 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I won so I just need Andreas to pay up. Nothing else to say.

    And you won't even try to make a case against me and everyone knows why.

     
  • At 8:44 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    First step is putting your money in escrow, Chubs.

     
  • At 8:49 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Yeah Richie, you are ugly and stupid. I can always lose weight but you will always be ugly and stupid.

    Nice to see that you are too chickenshit to address the OP. And my next step is finding Andreas and making him pay up.

     
  • At 8:58 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Why isn't Joe putting the money in escrow? Hmmmm

     
  • At 9:15 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Why isn't Richie addressing the OP? Oh, he's giving out hummers.

    Here's where Richie shit himself rather than try to redeem himself.

     
  • At 9:17 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie Hughes- Ignorant Liar of Nested Hierarchies

    And Richie does nothing to even try to refute that.

     
  • At 9:36 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Joe is eager to change the sunject. He stamps his feet and asserts he is right but has has the opportunity to test this - one that he continually avoids. We all know why.

     
  • At 9:42 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The subject of this thread is "Richie Hughes- Ignorant Liar of Nested Hierarchies"- YOU tried to change it you ignorant coward.

    And I don't assert that I am right. I have proven it beyond any reasonable doubt. And your inability to stay on topic and try to pass it off to someone else proves that you are a chickenshit pussy.

    The OP calls you out and all of your posts support the OP.

    Nice own goal.

     
  • At 9:49 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    LOL - another assertion.

    Let me help you, as you're clueless:

    1. Money in Escrow
    2. Impartial, expert judges
    3. Lose

    Bwaaaaaaaakaaaaa

     
  • At 9:55 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    That is all you have, cupcake, false assertions and chickenshit responses.

    1- Money in hand

    2- Case already proven

    3- Richie shit himself rather than address his ignorance and integrity

    But thank you for proving the OP to be true. I could have done it without you but your help is priceless.

     
  • At 10:02 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You should lose one fight before starting another.

    If you were remotely secure in your beliefs you'd be putting your money in escrow.

    Joe "no show / parking lot" Gallien is a funny thought, but not realistic.

    You're a guy who's wrong about just about everything (ID / Number theory / Gravity / the paranormal... etc etc ) and you know it. That's why you ran from your original bet. If you were confident, you'd be pursuing it.

     
  • At 10:11 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I won that fight and now I am proving it, again.

    I have the money. I will gladly meet any evolutionist who wants to ante up. That is how confident I am. Anything short of that is cowardice by my opponent.

    I didn't run from anything and you are and ignorant LIAR of nested hierarchies so no one cares what you spew.

    Thanks again for helping me prove my case against you.

     
  • At 10:28 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Joe, no one takes that or you seriously, given your parking lot history.

    Its obvious what you'd do if you thought you would win.

    You aren't, because you won't.

    here's Joe dodging fro before. Pathetic:

    http://antievolution.org/aebb-archive/aebbarchive_joe_gs_tardgasm_t6647.html

     
  • At 10:31 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie, Go read Andy's bullshit rant tat you linked to. He thinks that a phylogenetic tree is a nested hierarchy even after I proved they weren't-


    ""Linnaean classification without paraphyletic taxa is a logical impossibility. Every monophyletic genus in a Linnaean classification must be descended from something (probably a species) in a different genus, which must be paraphyletic. Similarly every monotypic family must be descended from a species in a genus in a different family. If one denies paraphyletic taxa, where do genera and families come from? Ultimately, one would end up sinking everything into its ancestral taxon, and the whole classification would telescope into its original taxon...

    The theory of a Linnaean classification without paraphyletic taxa is nonsensical. Hennig's proposal to eliminate paraphyletic taxa was based on a failure to see the difference between the Linnaean hierarchy in which all taxa are nested in the next higher taxon, and a phylogenetic hierarchy which is not so nested, the lower levels of the hierarchy being not equivalent to the higher levels. Put another way, all the species of a genus together equal the genus but all the offspring of a parent do not equal the parent."


    Linnaean vs phylogenetics

     
  • At 10:35 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie, you ignorant slut. I have already won and have given up hope of ever collecting. That is why I will meet anyone who dares challenge me.

    And again thanks for proving tat you are an ignorant coward. I don't need you to keep piling on yourself.

     
  • At 10:35 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Okay - well quick put your money in escrow so you can win that bet then...

    ;)

     
  • At 10:37 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    " I have already won and have given up hope of ever collecting."


    Pathetic dodge.

    Why wont you do this?

    1. Money in Escrow
    2. Impartial, expert judges

    We all know why.

     
  • At 10:38 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I already won and you have already proven that you are an ignorant coward.

    If you can't address the OP, nor spot the errors and lies in Andy's rant, then just shut up. I don't need you to keep proving my point. Priceless, yes. Necessary, no.

     
  • At 10:45 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Where's you $10k winning then if you already won?

    Oh riiiiight. You're just asserting your own victory.

    If I thought I'd won a bet, I'd go about collecting it.

    Pathetic.

     
  • At 6:07 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie, You are an ignorant coward. I will gladly meet any evolutionist and bet $10,000 that my claims about nested hierarchies are true.

    YOU don't have anything to say as you are just a childish cheerleader who never antes up,

    And I am sure that you would spend more than you won to track down a loser who wouldn't pay you. But then again you are too much of a chickenshit coward to ever bet anyone on something pertaining to science.

     
  • At 11:21 AM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Given that you are a habitual liar about location and meeting in person this is of course a dodge. If you were serious about collecting money you'd put YOUR funds in escrow and post that you have on Andreas website, saying you are ready for the selection of experts.

    As you can never find anyone who agrees with your batshit wrongness if you know you probably wont win as you're almost always wrong.

    So keep blustering. There is one serious course of action, that you wont take. Loser.

     
  • At 11:42 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie the ignorant coward and master projectionist.

    I have my funds with me and that is where they will stay. I will gladly meet anyone and take their money if they are stupid enough to bet against me.

    Strange that I have found 6 experts that agree with me. And it is very telling that you are too much of a chickenshit eater to address the OP.

    It's a good thing you will never meet me Richie or else I would end your existence and not even think about it. That is not a threat, it's a warning and a promise.

     
  • At 11:59 AM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "I have my funds with me and that is where they will stay"

    Why?

    "Strange that I have found 6 experts that agree with me"

    You have statements from them that they agree with you?

     
  • At 12:10 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Why? Tta is how I bet, with money in hand. Nothing else will do. And their statements that they agree with me are in the OP or part of these comments you ignorant dick.

     
  • At 12:12 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "Tta is how I bet, with money in hand. Nothing else will do."

    Why?


    Seems like the most pathetic dodge to me from a guy who doesn't really want it to happen.

     
  • At 12:13 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Seeing that you have dodged addressing the subject of this thread, you are an expert on dodging. Nice own goal, dick.

    You sound like the coward we all know you to be.

     
  • At 12:24 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    So you're dodging the bet and you contend that the experts agree with you.

    Nice work ID leader.

     
  • At 12:28 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Only an ignorant moron would say that I am dodging the bet. Enter Dick Hughes.

    And I don't contend the experts agree with me. anyone who can read can see that they do.

    You are one cowardly and confused cupcake, dickie.

     
  • At 12:29 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I have my funds with me and that is where they will stay. I will gladly meet anyone and take their money if they are stupid enough to bet against me.

     
  • At 12:35 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "I have my funds with me and that is where they will stay. I will gladly meet anyone and take their money if they are stupid enough to bet against me."

    No you wont, as your parkinglot history shows, Chubs.

    You don't get to judge your own contest, fatso.

     
  • At 12:39 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Fuck you, Dick. I will gladly meet anyone who wants to bet against me on this. And Dickface Hughes has nothing to say about it.

    Dick can't judge anything. Dick can't even read.

     
  • At 12:54 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    " I will gladly meet anyone who wants to bet against me on this"

    No you wont, as your parkinglot history shows, Chubs.

     
  • At 12:58 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Of course I will, Dick. And you are totally ignorant of what you say. Meaning you are just an ignorant dick.

    You are stupid and ugly- just kill yourself and do the world a favor.

     
  • At 1:05 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    LOL@Parking lot Joe:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=joe+gallien++%22parking+lot%22

    Poor chubs.

     
  • At 1:23 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    What is your point, Dickie? When you want to fight someone you take it out to the parking lot.

    I never said that is where I live. And I never said that is where I would meet for this bet.

    So again, what is your point, dick?

     
  • At 1:26 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Oh go back and read what you said at the time, Chubbers.

    You're hilarious. keep on leading ID, maybe one day you'll get to write posts at UD or even (Swoon!) become a DI fellow. Its easier than getting one of three places on a library board ;)

     
  • At 1:30 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I know what I said at the time- so again what is your point?

    You are a pathetic piece of shit

     
  • At 4:16 PM, Blogger Mike Scuric said…

    Hi Joe. I just noticed that your hero Barry Arrogant has sunk to a new low. Not only has he banned a commenter (Aurelio Smith), which I am sure you applaud, but he has gone as far as to delete every comment that he has ever made at UD. Put a moustache on Barry and he would be indistinguishable from Stalin.

     
  • At 6:55 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    No, I never applaud anyone's banning, even if it was deserved.

    Barry is just fed up with the bullshit that the anti-ID mob- specifically materialists- have to offer and refuses to give them a platform from which to spew it.

     
  • At 9:11 PM, Blogger Acartia Tonsa said…

    But retroactively removing the platform? That is the act of s paranoid insecure moron. Does he really think that nobody will notice.

    But I want to ask you a serious question. Do you think that his actions were moral, ethical and honest? Keep in mind, he has made every effort to hide the fact that he did this.

     
  • At 9:17 PM, Blogger Acartia Tonsa said…

    And a second question. Are you man enough to publicly question Barry about this action? Or will you pretend that it never happened like every other ID follower is doing?

    The choice between bravery or cowardice is in your hands. We all know how you will respond but it would be nice, for a change, for you to be able to prove us wrong.

     
  • At 11:17 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I say that ID's opponents are a bunch of liars, losers and pathetic droolers. They are all cowards and don't deserve a place to post on ID sites.

    You are a great example of this. You are a pathetic little imp.

    If any of you had any courage at all you would step forward and show ID how science is dine by showing how your position does it. Yet you don't because you are a bunch of fucking cowards and losers.

    You and yours are a disgrace to humanity.

     
  • At 3:45 PM, Blogger Acartia Tonsa said…

    Joe:"You are a great example of this. You are a pathetic little imp."

    I prefer Barry's description of me. "pathetic snivelling coward".

    But as long as people like you, pompous rrogant Arrington and Gordon (the world's out to get me) Mullings have to rely on your pathological and psychotic ranting a to defend ID, the job security of evolutionary biologists is safe.

    Your side is such a laughable joke that even though they outnumber evolutionists by a very healthy margin, they still can't get it taught in school.

     
  • At 4:00 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    LoL! Nice cowardly spewage there, ass boy.

     
  • At 6:41 PM, Blogger Acartia Tonsa said…

    Too bad for ID that its all true.

     
  • At 8:40 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Too bad for ID that all of its critics are ignorant cowards?

    How does that work?

     
  • At 1:17 PM, Blogger Acartia Tonsa said…

    Given the source of the comment, it works fine for me.

     
  • At 1:34 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Given that you are an ignorant troll, no one cares what works fine for you.

    I can support my claims all day long...

     

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