Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Friday, July 06, 2012

"Describe an experiment that is not designed"

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Richie wants me to describe an experiment that was not designed"-

Eclipses are natural experiemnts so I guess I just described an experiment that wasn't designed, unless of course you are going to agree that our solar system is designed. Then there are earthquakes and of course, according to evos, evolution is one continous natural experiment- unless they are going to agree that evolution is by design

And then we have Flemming's discovery of penicillin- an undesigned experiment.

If you want more you will have to pay me for my time.

Now what Richie the cowardly liar needs to do is make a connection between this and something I said about GAs. The safe money is that he never will...

posted by Joe G @ 4:05 PM  

32 Comments:

  • At 4:29 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Okay - let's list the ways you are wrong and the incongruent positions you hold:

    1. An eclipse isn't an experiment, its an event:

    Wikipedia:

    An eclipse is an astronomical event that occurs when an astronomical object is temporarily obscured, either by passing into the shadow of another body or by having another body pass between it and the viewer. An eclipse is a type of syzygy.

    An experiment is a methodical trial and error procedure carried out with the goal of verifying, falsifying, or establishing the validity of a hypothesis.

    Lots of people think an experiment contains " hypothesis, manipulative variable, controlled variable, responding variable, experimental control, and trials."

    You uttering "eclipse" between bites of your donut doesn't really cut it.



    So utterly wrong. But even more funny is that by declaring eclipses are not designed, you're turning your back on 'the privileged planet' guff. Well done.

    So to be absolutely clear, you've not described an experiment by any reasonable definition of experiment. So try again fatty. My goodness you are shit at science.

    And pay you? Come on fatty, you give all your time for free to the internet. And I can't help but feel the internet is over-paying.

     

  • At 4:44 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Dumbass- eclipses are natural experiments that yield valuable data.

    And if you actually read what I posted you would see I did not make the declaration that eclipses were not designed. You are a moron.

    tests of GR

    see also:

    Natural experiment

    dumbass

     

  • At 4:51 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Whoopsy Joe. The hypothesis being tested ins't part of the natural experiment - the natural experiment only covers "the experimental conditions are determined by nature or by other factors out of the control of the experimenters. Thus, natural experiments are observational studies and are not controlled"

    But this line is the give away:

    "Natural experiments are considered for study designs"

    Oh! Designs!

    also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_of_experiments

    "Other types of study, and their design, are discussed in the articles on opinion polls and statistical surveys (which are types of observational study), natural experiments and quasi-experiments (for example, quasi-experimental design). See Experiment for the distinction between these types of experiments or studies."


    AND THEIR DESIGN. WHOOPSY!

    Want to fail some more, fatboy?

     

  • At 4:55 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie:
    The hypothesis being tested ins't part of the natural experiment

    So what? Natural experiments are not designed, unless you are saying the universe was designed.

    Are you saying the universe was designed, cupcake?

    Thus, natural experiments are observational studies and are not controlled.

    THAT is an experiment that is not designed.

     

  • At 4:56 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie's quote-mine gives it away:

    Natural experiments are considered for study designs whenever controlled experimentation is difficult, such as in many problems in epidemiology and economics.

     

  • At 4:57 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    No, Joe. Experiments are required to test hypothesis. And those are always designed. What hypothesis does an eclipse test? and where does that hypothesis come from?

     

  • At 4:58 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    And you don't even understand what wikipedia is saying in "design of experiments"...

     

  • At 4:59 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie:
    Experiments are required to test hypothesis.

    With natural experiments they just happen. Then we come along and use them to help us understand things.

     

  • At 5:01 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Sorry Joe, you've been found out. Experiments contain "hypothesis, manipulative variable, controlled variable, responding variable, experimental control, and trials" - also the recoding of results to be fair. Where does the hypothesis come from, Joe? If there's an unwatched eclipse in another galaxy, is it an experiment?

    IDIOT.

     

  • At 5:03 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Yes Richie, YOU are sorry.

    To repeat- observational studies that are not controlled are experiments that are not designed.

     

  • At 5:04 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Flemming's discovery of penicillin is another experiment that was not designed.

     

  • At 5:05 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "With natural experiments they just happen. Then we come along and use them to help us understand things"

    Oooh look - no hypothesis required for experiments any more. There goes ID changing science again. (by making shit up).

     

  • At 5:08 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    So we needed a hypothesis before solar ecplipses could occur?

    Are you really that stupid?

    No Richie, solar eclipses were occurring and we found out a way to use this natural experiment to our advantage.

    To repeat- observational studies that are not controlled are experiments that are not designed.

     

  • At 5:09 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    So using RichTARD's standard he was asking a loaded question and obvioulsy for no reason at all.

     

  • At 5:10 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "Flemming's discovery of penicillin is another experiment that was not designed"

    BZZZZT RETARD.

    Fleming's discovery of penicillin was a discovery. The clue is in the word you used.

     

  • At 5:12 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The discovery was the result of an uncontrolled experiment, dumbass.

     

  • At 5:12 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "So we needed a hypothesis before solar ecplipses could occur?

    Are you really that stupid?"

    No I'm not, but apparently you are. Not everything that happens is an experiment. apples drop all the time, but not because someone is testing gravity. What makes something an experiment is that a hypothesis is being tested.

    YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.

     

  • At 5:13 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Natural experiments will happen regardless of us. That is what they do.

    But anyway- observational studies that are not controlled are experiments that are not designed.

     

  • At 5:14 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "The discovery was the result of an uncontrolled experiment, dumbass."

    He was working on influenza at the time, and this discovery accidental, and without a hypothesis so in of itself not an experiment.

    Why do you hate science?

     

  • At 5:17 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Let me get this straight- just because you are an ignorant and dioshonest fuck, I hate science. Got it.

    I know all about the discovery Richie- it was from an uncontrolled experiment.

     

  • At 5:20 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "Natural experiments will happen regardless of us. That is what they do"

    No they don't. They're just events, not experiments without us. Because without a hypothesis, you have no experiment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis

    "The scientific method involves experimentation on the basis of hypotheses to answer questions and explore observations."

    Even natural experiments need hypothesis, or they aren't experiments:

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/30062325?uid=3739656&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=47699119960787

     

  • At 5:22 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    The discovery was an accident. You're trying to link the fact that he was working on an experiment (with hypothesis) to test influenza.

    Everywhere lists it as an ACCIDENTAL DISCOVERY, not an experiment.

     

  • At 5:23 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Joe says:

    "Natural experiments will happen regardless of us. That is what they do."

    so please provide demarcation between your version of "natural experiments" and "phenomena"

     

  • At 9:53 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie,

    People conduct experiments just to see what happens, ie no hypothesis required. Also experiments are an event or made up of events, which can also be phenomena.

    science is a process- no "scientific method"

    IOW Richie you are stuck in a box and too stupid to think outside of it.

     

  • At 9:56 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie:
    The discovery was an accident.

    Right, via an uncontrolled experiment, ie an experiment that was not designed. If it had not been an accident it would have been a designed / controlled experiment.

    Again you have no scientific background at all so you don't know anything about experiments, and it shows.

    Every day of your life is an experiment Richie- we are all living experiments.

     

  • At 10:40 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie:
    So to be absolutely clear, you've not described an experiment by any reasonable definition of experiment.

    Ahem- experiment:


    1.
    a test, trial, or tentative procedure; an act or operation for the purpose of discovering something unknown or of testing a principle, supposition, etc.: a chemical experiment; a teaching experiment; an experiment in living.

    2.
    the conducting of such operations; experimentation: a product that is the result of long experiment.

    3.
    Obsolete . experience.

    verb (used without object)
    4.
    to try or test, especially in order to discover or prove something: to experiment with a new procedure.

    whoopsie, cupcake

     

  • At 2:34 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Can't you read? The very first part:

    "a test, trial, or tentative procedure"

     

  • At 4:18 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Richie:
    Can't you read? The very first part:

    "a test, trial, or tentative procedure"

    Yes Richie, so what? Still too stupid to actually make a case? Coward...

     

  • At 4:19 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    an act or operation for the purpose of discovering something unknown -

    THAT is how eclipses are experiments, dumbass faggot

     

  • At 4:26 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    But anyway Richie, you stupid faggot, your tard is out of the bag for trying to get me to describe something that in your little bitty pointed head doesn't exist.

    Not only that it doesn't have anything to do with anything I have said about GAs. You are a sad dishonest tard.

     

  • At 5:50 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "an act or operation for the purpose of discovering something unknown -

    THAT is how eclipses are experiments, dumbass faggot"

    Wow. Eclipses are FOR THE PURPOSE of discovering something unknown?

    Who made them and gave them that purpose, then?

     

  • At 6:07 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The act of observing eclipses is to discover something unknown, and we did, without setting up the experiment.

     

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