"Assume the IDers are right"- from the TSZ
Assume the IDers are right.
When we look at designed objects we can often tell a lot about the designers. For example, if we look at medical tools, fluffy teddies and cellos, we can see that the designers are compassionate and Value music. When we look at iron maidens and racks, we can see they have a sadistic streak.
Look at life on earth and assume it is designed, what can we tell about the designer?First the title- IDist, not IDer- although it is true that we are also designers (evolutionist, not evolutioner), but it is IDist.
On to the post:
For one we can tell that the designer is well above our pay grade. Also we have to look at the whole picture and not just the life on earth. By looking at the whole picture we could infer that the universe was designed for scientific discovery. And if that is so then it would require inhabitants capable of investigation.
So under that context we would look at life on earth and see that it has the requisite scientific discoverers, along with a wide diversity of living organisms for investigation.
Yes we could assume multiple designers. And pain/ suffering lead to scientific discoveries, meaning Patrick May is totally off base with his stupid remark:
With respect to the original post of this thread, if we accept arguendo that life on Earth was designed, one conclusion we can draw from the evidence is that the designer(s) either cared little about the suffering of sentient creatures or that he/she/it/they lacked the capability to minimize such suffering.
In a perfect world, or one free of suffering, there would be little need for scientific discovery.
That said, if you are just looking at life on earth you wouldn't grasp the context of that life's existence. The many factors required for that existence have to be considered because living organisms, especially metazoans such as humans, do not exist in isolation. As I said many factors are required if we are to be in existence.
“The same narrow circumstances that allow us to exist also provide us with the best over all conditions for making scientific discoveries.”
“The one place that has observers is the one place that also has perfect solar eclipses.”
“There is a final, even more bizarre twist. Because of Moon-induced tides, the Moon is gradually receding from Earth at 3.82 centimeters per year. In ten million years will seem noticeably smaller. At the same time, the Sun’s apparent girth has been swelling by six centimeters per year for ages, as is normal in stellar evolution. These two processes, working together, should end total solar eclipses in about 250 million years, a mere 5 percent of the age of the Earth. This relatively small window of opportunity also happens to coincide with the existence of intelligent life. Put another way, the most habitable place in the Solar System yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them.”Those three quotes are from "The Privileged Planet".
“The combined circumstance that we live on Earth and are able to see stars- that the conditions necessary for life do not exclude those necessary for vision, and vice versa- is a remarkably improbable one.
This is because the medium we live is, on one hand, just thick enough to enable us to breathe and prevent us from being burned up by cosmic rays, while, on the other hand, it is not so opaque as to absorb entirely the light of the stars and block the view of the universe. What a fragile balance between the indispensable and the sublime."- Hans Blumenberg- thoughts independent of the research done by Gonzalez.