Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Saturday, April 11, 2009

Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant

Alan Fox and David Kellogg- nested hierarchy ignorant

Over on uncommon descent, both Alan Fox and David Kellogg have tried (and failed) to tell me that the theory of evolution predicts a nested hierarchy.

In an attempt to try to reason with them I asked them if evolution had a direction. They both agreed that it does not.

The next step was to ask them if nested hierarchies required a direction of additive characteristics. They both agreed that NH does not require a direction.

I provided a definition of nested hierarchy that stated nested hierarchies involve levels which consist of, and contain, lower levels.

That means if defining characteristics are lost then containment is also lost, therefor nested hierarchy is lost.

And if defining characteristics stay the same then we remain with that set- no nested hierarchy.

Note how, as in any hierarchic system, the divisions are clear in a systematic way, becoming increasingly intense as the hierarchy is ascended.

After reasoning with these dolts didn’t work I asked them to provide an example of a nested hierarchy in which the characteristics were not additive.

Did they provide one?

Nope. Instead Kellogg pulled his head out of his ass long enough to tell me that I am incapable of being reasoned with!

And yet he has never provided any reasoning to support his position!!!!

You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen.


  • At 9:47 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    What? You have no answer for why you aren't funny? No response to my arguments or offers of help?

    By your logic, I must have won.

    Go to the theatre. Ask them for help.

  • At 7:27 AM, Blogger Joe G said…


    You don't have an argument, just a handful of strawmen.

    Also you don't understand logic so your use of the word is a bit puzzling.

    I have been to the theatre and you are right- entertainers need all the help they can get.

    Ya see entertainers as a whole are a useless lot.

    They are basically clue-less fools who can only pretend to be something or someone else.

    That is because they don't know how to do anything useful.

    A world with just entertainers world be a dead world within one generation.

    Now THAT is funny!!!!

  • At 10:02 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Watch Idiocracy. I think that's more where you're trying to go. IF you're throwing insults around, at least try to make them plausible. Try to be good at something for shit's sake.

  • At 11:37 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I'm not throwing insults around.

    I made a perfectly good OBSERVATION.

    Just as YOUR jealousy is an observation.

    But anyway-

    On the first day of first grade TP jr went up to blipey jr and asked:

    "blipey jr., what's a penis?"

    blipey jr, puzzled, scratched his little head and repplied,

    "Geez, I don't know. But my dad, blipey the clown, said I could ask him anything and he would do his best to answer."

    All that day in school the two jrs couldn't wait for the day-ending bell to ring.

    And when the time came blipey jr bolted home.

    There he found his dad, blipey the clown, juggling his balls.

    blipey jr approached and asked,

    "Daddy, what's a penis?"

    blipey the clown then whipped his out and proclaimed:

    "jr., this is a penis. As a matter of fact it is a perfect penis." And he then continued to juglle his balls.

    blipey jr couldn't sleep and when the alarm went off he jumped out of bed, already dressed, and ran to school.

    There he found TP jr anxiously waiting.

    TP jr shouted:

    "Did you find out ? DID YOU FIND OUT?"

    blipey jr, out of breath, says:

    "Yeah, everybody gather around!"

    Once the crowd was present blipey jr pulled out his penis and said:

    "This is a penis. As a matter of fact, if it was two inches shorter, it would be a perfect penis."Badda-bing, badda-boom...

  • At 12:43 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Why do entertainers have award shows?To try to find some value in an otherwise worthless existence.

  • At 6:10 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Why is the Noble Prize awarded?

    Why is there a Pulitzer?

    Why is the Scripps National Spelling Bee televised?

    Come on, Joe. You can do better.

  • At 7:48 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Why is the Noble Prize awarded?Because a guy named Alfred Nobel said to and people actually listened.

    Why is there a Pulitzer?Because of a guy named Joseph Pulitzer.

    Why is the Scripps National Spelling Bee televised?If you say so.

    Come on, Joe. You can do better.Yeah, but unfortunately I don't get to choose who posts here so I play the hand I am dealt.

    Which brings up another question-

    If all the entertainers just shut up, would anyone notice?

  • At 8:48 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Come on, Joe. Let's apply a little associative thinking. What do the Oscars, The Pulitzer, and the Spelling Bee have in common?

    Also, it doesn't follow that only because there was a man named Noble, that there is an award.

    Is there a Gallien? Why not?

  • At 7:30 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    clowny still can't fucking read.

    Listen dumbass I did NOT say there is a Nobel prize just because there was a man named Nobel.

    And there isn't a "Gallien" because not one "Gallien" has asked for one.

    We Galliens know there are already too many awards given out.

    People get paid for what they do. That should be enough.

    As for applying associative thinking first YOU have to demonstrate you are capable of thinking.

    Ya see entertainers are over-paid useless hacks.

    And it is a fact that a world full of entertainers is a world doomed to failure.

    Deal with it.

  • At 7:32 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Your next cooment had better be on topic or it wiil not be posted.

    The topic of this thread is nested hierarchy and you have already proven you don't know anything about it.

    Do you still think that a patrilineage is a paternal family tree?

    That's right you are incapable of thinking.

  • At 11:21 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    So you say you are a clownie named blipey.
    Yet you act like a pinhead named zippy.
    The posts that you spew,
    Prove you haven't a clue.
    And you are neither funny nor witty.

  • At 4:32 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    You must be in favor of nixing the Nobels then? Scientists get paid, so no award necessary?

  • At 6:02 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Let's see:

    Scientists do work that can help mankind.

    Actors and actresses get over-paid to pretend and if they didn't exist mankind may be better off.

    Yeah I see the connection.

  • At 7:22 PM, Blogger blipey said…

    Joe G: "People get paid for what they do. That should be enough."

    Scientists are people. Therefore, Joe G is not in favor of awarding Nobels.

  • At 7:30 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    clowny proves he cannot comprehend what he reads.

    SHOULD be enough.

    Heck why not give awards in EVERY profession?

    Delivery people- many categories to award.

    Counter clerks, baggers at the grocery store, auto mechanics etc, etc, etc.

    All service positions do more for mankind in one day than entertainers do in a lifetime crafting their profession.

    Scientists definitely do not neeed awards to feel a sense of accomplishemnet.

    Actors and actresses definitely do need awards because they have a worthless existence.

  • At 8:18 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    As I said clowy-

    The posts that you spew
    Prove you haven't a clue

  • At 8:55 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    Since you are an expert in the entertainment field (as you are in all other fields), I guess I'll have to grant that you're right. Your astounding depth of knowledge and years of experience in the entertainment field, not to mention your close personal friends in the industry, certainly support your claims of personal character defamement.

    When can I see you in a show?

  • At 8:57 AM, Blogger blipey said…

    As for awards--I think it's quite clear that you believe scientists should not be given awards. As you think that no one should be given awards if they are paid.

    Don't try to weasel out of this one. Just come out and say that the Nobels are stupid, unnecessary pieces of shit.

  • At 9:25 AM, Blogger Joe G said…


    I say it is quite clear that YOU are a stupid piece of shit it really doesn't matter what you think nor say.

    You don't know how to read. You cannot comprehend what you read so you have to twist it in your little bitty pointy head so that when it comes out of you it doesn't resemble what went in.

    You are as ignorant as you are stupid.

    You are a coward- physically and mentally.

    But hey you could prove me wrong by telling me exactly what entertainers give us by applying their craft- besides a distraction.

  • At 9:39 AM, Blogger Joe G said…


    Please let me know when you will be in New England again.

    And please include where you will be performing along with the times.


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