Information, Probability and DNA- Responding to Smilodon's Retreat
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Smilodon's Retreat has a recent post titled Information, Probability, and DNA. In it the author attempts to poke holes in the argument from probabilities wrt DNA sequences. The author's first mistake was pointing to the genetic code as his position doesn't have anything to explain its existence. That isn't the entire problem. In order to function the genetic code requires several macromolecular machines. But I digress...
The author babbles on about that proteins are able to withstand variation and still perform the same function. Does this moron not understand that his position requires variation that leads to new functions and forms? But that isn't even the point.
The point is the only reason probability arguments exist is due to the fact that the author's position doesn't have any way to scientifically test its claims. And if you ask me his position doesn't even deserve a seat at probability discussions.
Smilodon's Retreat has a recent post titled Information, Probability, and DNA. In it the author attempts to poke holes in the argument from probabilities wrt DNA sequences. The author's first mistake was pointing to the genetic code as his position doesn't have anything to explain its existence. That isn't the entire problem. In order to function the genetic code requires several macromolecular machines. But I digress...
And that’s interesting, because you can make some pretty massive changes to that DNA sequence and still get the exact same protein.Actually you can get the same amino acid sequence but we already know that so-called silent mutations, mutations that change the codon sequence but not the represented amino acid, can change the protein, ie the folded shape that allows for functionality.
The author babbles on about that proteins are able to withstand variation and still perform the same function. Does this moron not understand that his position requires variation that leads to new functions and forms? But that isn't even the point.
The point is the only reason probability arguments exist is due to the fact that the author's position doesn't have any way to scientifically test its claims. And if you ask me his position doesn't even deserve a seat at probability discussions.
posted by Joe G @ 12:46 PM
16 Comments:
At 2:27 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
ChubsTard and "ID Leader":
"People want to know what happens if ID wins. What scientific research will ID spawn?"
"That’s easy – for starters post-ID research doesn’t have anything to do with ID."
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
At 10:44 AM,
Joe G said…
Let's see- ID is the detection and study of intelligent design in nature. Contrasted with post-ID research that deals with the who, how, when, where, why and everything else that follows from the first.
Thank you for proving that you are an imbecile and an ignorant fuck. And thanks for proving that you are too cowardly to actually make a case. Nit that you could...
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
At 3:07 PM,
Ghostrider said…
Let's see- ID is the detection and study of intelligent design in nature. Contrasted with post-ID research that deals with the who, how, when, where, why and everything else that follows from the first.
How do the questions
Who did the Intelligent Design?
How was the Intelligent Design done?
When was the Intelligent Design done?
Where was the Intelligent Design done?
Why was the Intelligent Design done?
...not have anything to do with Intelligent Design?
At 10:39 AM,
Joe G said…
They are separate questions from what ID asks, just as Dembski wrote. How do those questions have anything to do with the detection and study of intelligent design in nature? Do we have to have those answers before we cam determine intelligent design exists? No, we do not.
So why to evo TARDs ignore all of that and press on like a bunch of infant shit-eaters? Because their position has nothing and that makes them upset.
At 10:53 AM,
Ghostrider said…
Over at TSZ some moron named Frankie keeps saying that Design has already been detected. I see now he's lying and will accept your claim ID in biological life is still being searched for.
At 10:55 AM,
Ghostrider said…
You say ID is about the detection AND STUDY of design in nature. How do those five questions above not qualify as a STUDY of the design?
At 11:34 AM,
Joe G said…
Wow, what an ignorant asshole you are. ID in biology has been detected. And your position still has nothing to counter that claim.
At 11:35 AM,
Joe G said…
You say ID is about the detection AND STUDY of design in nature. How do those five questions above not qualify as a STUDY of the design?
Make your case, coward. How will studying the design help us identify the designer?
At 12:01 PM,
Ghostrider said…
How will you answer any of the questions
Who did the Intelligent Design?
How was the Intelligent Design done?
When was the Intelligent Design done?
Where was the Intelligent Design done?
Why was the Intelligent Design done?
...without studying the design? Where else would you look for the answers?
At 12:26 PM,
Joe G said…
Answer my questions or admit that you are an ignoramus
At 12:34 PM,
Ghostrider said…
OK, you have no answer and just stuck your foot in your mouth again.
At 12:53 PM,
Joe G said…
OK so you admit that you are an ignoramus on an agenda. But you are right in one small respect- I have no answer as to why you think your cowardly ignorance means something
At 5:10 PM,
Ghostrider said…
After ID is detected the ID researchers won't pay any attention to the Design.
But you said the whole planet and everything on it is Designed. We're the specially created Privileged Planet, remember?
That means after ID has been detected which you say it has, ID researchers will have nothing to investigate. They'll just sit on their lazy asses asking for donations and preaching Bible verses. Which is pretty much all they do now.
At 7:08 PM,
Joe G said…
After ID is detected the ID researchers won't pay any attention to the Design.
And you know that cuz you are psychic.
But you said the whole planet and everything on it is Designed.
Liar
We're the specially created Privileged Planet, remember?
Yes, that is what the evidence says, but it doesn't follow that everything on it was designed. You are a moron.
That means after ID has been detected which you say it has, ID researchers will have nothing to investigate.
Detection AND STUDY, dipshit. But that confuses you because the word "study" isn't part of your vocabulary.
Look dorkrider, you are just an ignorant asshole on an agenda and you are upset because your position has nothing.
At 1:19 PM,
William Spearshake said…
Joe must be quite the contortionist. He is able to stick his foot in his mouth while his head is shoved up his ass. He should apply to Cirque de Soleil.
At 9:46 PM,
Joe G said…
William Spearshake is quite the projectionist as it runs around with its head up its ass and its foot in its mouth. Cirque de Soleil doesn't employ freaks, though, so it is out of luck there.
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