Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Thursday, January 04, 2007

Note to Alan Fox- your comment was lost

Alan I just tried to publish your last comment but I received a blogger error and now your comment is gone.

Could you please re-post it?

(I had to laugh at your projection on the ARN discussion board. For the record I will debate you on any topic pertaining to the ID vs ToE debate. Perhaps my fingers are in my ears, but that is to protect my brain from the assaults by evolutionary imbeciles, like yourself.)

posted by Joe G @ 7:21 AM  

4 Comments:

  • At 8:08 AM, Blogger Alan Fox said…

    Thanks for the link, Zachriel. Snappy title, Joe.:)

    Joe writes:

    My offer to debate Zachriel on this is still open.

    He submits his opening and I will then submit mine.

    And this little bit is total BS:

    Joe: "Nested Hierarchy is [not] a prediction of the theory of evolution- pro & con- that would include ALL living organisms"

    I said:
    "Nested Hierarchy is a prediction of the theory of evolution- pro & con- that would include ALL living organisms"

    is duly noted.

    I take the con, Zachriel takes the pro. Or at least Zachriel should put his position in writing so we all know what it is. My position hasn't changed since before I started blogging- The theory of evolution does not predict nested hierarchy.

    So, do Zachriel and Joe both want to attempt a dialogue? Say, two threads, an opening post and title from each of you, comments limited to both of you on both threads. No moderation, other than avoidance of obscenity and incitement to commit crime. I am happy to host the format, or any other mutually agreed format that you would prefer.

    Posted here and here

     

  • At 8:26 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Joe said: "Nested Hierarchy is a prediction of the theory of evolution- pro & con- that would include ALL living organisms".

    Zachriel:
    I would have to take the *con*. The Nested Hierarchy does not apply to "ALL living organisms." It is observed primarily in eukaryotes, and even then, there are substantial exceptions, e.g. Plants are notorious hybridizers, though the nested hierarchy can still be discerned, bacteria exchange and absorb genes freely, viruses infect genomes, etc.

    The problem with what Zachriel stated is that IF nested hierarchy was a prediction of the theory it would be observed through-n-through. That it is observed in certain scenarios pertaining to living organisms is meaningless to the theory of evolution.

    IOW Alan it appears that we do not have anything to discuss.

     

  • At 11:43 AM, Blogger Alan Fox said…

    Hi Joe

    Just to clear up any misunderstanding, it is Zachriel who thinks an exchange with you would be useful. As I have indicated at ARN and elsewhere, I do not share his view. I doubt there is anything I could teach you nor could I learn anything from you. This was immediately obvious to me after a previous foray on your blog a while ago.

    But if you and Zachriel want to use a thread or threads on my blog as a neutral venue, you are both welcome. You may even shatter my preconceptions.

     

  • At 12:03 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Alan Fox:
    Just to clear up any misunderstanding, it is Zachriel who thinks an exchange with you would be useful.

    There wasn't any misunderstanding on my part. And as I have already stated an exchange with Zachriel is an oxymoron.

    Alan Fox:
    As I have indicated at ARN and elsewhere, I do not share his view. I doubt there is anything I could teach you nor could I learn anything from you.

    I doubt there is anything you know that I do not, especially concerning biology or any of the sciences. And I am not here to teach you.

    Alan Fox:
    This was immediately obvious to me after a previous foray on your blog a while ago.

    Yes it was immediately obvious to me that your grasp on reality was shakey.

    Other than that you have never posted anything that I have read that would either support or refute any position.

    As for preconceptions- both you and Zachriel have confirmed mine.

     

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