An attempt to clear a hurdle
To me that is a hurdle that must be crossed before we can proceed and I can explain my proposal.
1. The universe exists. No assumption is made on the method of the universe's creation (before the Big Bang).
2. About 4.6 billion years ago the earth was formed by natural processes generally agreed upon within the scientific community.
3. Within the 1.5 billion years following earth's creation, living organisms appeared. Since there isn't a scientific consensus, the only assumption is that it occured via natural processes.
4. All indigenous, earth based organisms descended from the original life described in #3. ("Common Descent")
5. Common Descent was, and is, achieved through changes in the properties of organism populations that are a result of natural processes such as natural selection, random variation and mutation, and other similarly naturalistic mechanisms. These processes are sufficient to account for the existence and function of all natural organisms on earth.
“Blind watchmaker” thesis: the idea that all organisms have descended from common ancestors solely through an unguided, unintelligent, purposeless, material processes such as natural selection acting on random variations or mutations; that the mechanisms of natural selection, random variation and mutation, and perhaps other similarly naturalistic mechanisms, are completely sufficient to account for the appearance of design in living organisms.
Who has watched Criss Angel? I have and some of what he pulls off I just can’t wrap my mind around. If anyone seems to defy physics he does. In the end I take comfort in “knowing” it was just an illusion because I “know” that a person cannot float from one building to another- something’s up but I just can’t see it/ figure it out.
But anyway, Dave the Thought Provoker has stated that “the blind watchmaker thesis” was an inaccurate portrayal of his reality. But I ask you- anyone reading this- what is the difference between his assumption number 5 and the blind watchmaker thesis shown below it? I am having a difficult time understanding why Dave was so offended by my describing the debate as being ID vs. the blind watchmaker thesis when the only difference is a few descriptive adjectives. Those descriptive adjectives are agreed upon and used by the SAME scientific community in his assumption #2.
As for assumptions #2 & #3 I have already noted that both intelligence and design are natural. And now that we have observed other solar systems we know that ours is atypical which renders any consensus on how the Earth formed a consensus of speculation.
Assumption #4 if life did not arise from non-living matter via random assemblies of particles (pre-biotic natural selection being a contradiction in terms)- just nature, operating freely, there would be no reason to infer its subsequent diversity was solely due to “natural processes such as natural selection, random variation and mutation, and other similarly naturalistic mechanisms”- which is pretty vague without those aforementioned descriptive adjectives, which in turn means there is quite a bit of wiggle room.
And also natural can mean either produced by nature or existing in nature. For example my car exists in nature, and therefore it is natural, but it wasn’t produced by nature.