Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Wednesday, November 19, 2014

So How Is CSI Defined?

EvoTARDs are all in a blather saying CSI (Complex Specified Information) is defined to exclude production via necessity and chance. They are confusing the proof that necessity and chance cannot produce CSI with the definition of CSI and they are too stupid to realize it.

CSI is simply defined as information that is specified, ie used in the standard sense of meaning and function, and also complex, ie also pertaining to the standard use.

There you have it and there isn't anything in the definition that supports the evoTARDgasms. Go figure.

ETA- "Complexity measures arise whenever we assign  numbers to degrees of complication. A reference class of possibilities will often admit varying degrees of complication, ranging from extremely simple to extremely complicated." Wm. Dembski, "No Free Lunch", page 141

"It follows that information can be complex, specified or both. Information that is both complex and specified will be called complex specified information, or CSI for short." Ibid 141-42


  • At 5:46 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Do you still think CSI=FSC=FIASCO?

  • At 6:08 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    CSI=FSC. You are the FIASCOgasmer, cupcake

  • At 7:23 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Hey Richie, seeing that you like to be a cheering section, I have a new cheer for you, that is aimed at you:

    FIASC0-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    (and fade)



  • At 8:37 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You faded 10 years ago, Chubbers.


  • At 10:17 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    FIASC0-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)

    (and fade)

  • At 11:46 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You seem to have forgotten P(H|T), Joe. But you always found the concepts a bit too challenging. ;)

  • At 5:46 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    LoL! That refers to specification, not CSI. Also that is the EQUATION and NOT the DEFINITION you ignorant ass. Obviously you have ignorance problems. But, then again, you have always had ignorance problems.

  • At 7:05 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    What does the S in CSI stand for, Joe?

  • At 11:46 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The "S" in CSI stands for "specified" not "specification".

    The paper that equation was pulled from refers to specification. It's in the title of the paper. Also the equation is not the definition you fucking dullard.

  • At 12:05 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    FSC= Functional Sequence Complexity

    According to Dembski biological specification pertains to function and we derive the number of bits for CSI from the sequence. That means for an organism to have CSI it must have FSC.

    I don't understand why that is so difficult to understand

  • At 10:50 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    "Biological specification always refers to function. An organism is a functional system comprising many functional subsystems. In virtue of their function, these systems embody patterns that are objectively given and can be identified independently of the systems that embody them. Hence these systems are specified in the same sense required by the complexity-specification criterion (see sections 1.3 and 2.5). The specification of organisms can be crashed out in any number of ways. Arno Wouters cashes it out globally in terms of the viability of whole organisms. Michael Behe cashes it out in terms of minimal function of biochemical systems".- Wm. Dembski page 148 of NFL

    In the preceding and proceeding paragraphs William Dembski makes it clear that biological specification is CSI- complex specified information.

    In the paper "The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories", Stephen C. Meyer wrote:

    "Dembski (2002) has used the term “complex specified information” (CSI) as a synonym for “specified complexity” to help distinguish functional biological information from mere Shannon information--that is, specified complexity from mere complexity. This review will use this term as well."


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