Ogre sez:
Evolution excludes design. There is no version of evolutionary theory that supports any design. It’s that simple. Review the definitions of evolution that Joe provided in his opening. Do any of them say anything about ‘design’? No, they are purely based on chemistry, physics, and biology (“materialistic” according to Joe). Therefore evolution is against ID, an alternative to ID, anti-ID if you will.
Let's look at those definitions. I bet there isn't anything that excludes design nor promotes purely chemistry, physics and biology (whatever that means):
Defining “evolution”:
Finally, during the evolutionary synthesis, a consensus emerged: “Evolution is the change in properties of populations of organisms over time”- Ernst Mayr page 8 of “What Evolution Is”
Biological (or organic) evolution is change in the properties of populations of organisms or groups of such populations, over the course of generations. The development, or ontogeny, of an individual organism is not considered evolution: individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are ‘heritable' via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportions of different forms of a gene within a population, such as the alleles that determine the different human blood types, to the alterations that led from the earliest organisms to dinosaurs, bees, snapdragons, and humans.
Douglas J. Futuyma (1998) Evolutionary Biology 3rd ed., Sinauer Associates Inc. Sunderland MA p.4
Biological evolution refers to the cumulative changes that occur in a population over time. PBS series “Evolution” endorsed by the NCSE
Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations) UC Berkley
In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next.
Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974
Evolution- in biology, the word means genetically based change in a line of descent over time.- Biology: Concepts and Applications Starr 5th edition 2003 page 10
Nope, not one word about accumulating genetic accidents producing anything. Not one word about only physics, chemistry and biology being all that is required. Nothing at all that supports what OgreMKV stated. And more importantly nothing that excludes design.
You lied Ogre.
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