So How Is CSI Defined?
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EvoTARDs are all in a blather saying CSI (Complex Specified Information) is defined to exclude production via necessity and chance. They are confusing the proof that necessity and chance cannot produce CSI with the definition of CSI and they are too stupid to realize it.
CSI is simply defined as information that is specified, ie used in the standard sense of meaning and function, and also complex, ie also pertaining to the standard use.
There you have it and there isn't anything in the definition that supports the evoTARDgasms. Go figure.
ETA- "Complexity measures arise whenever we assign numbers to degrees of complication. A reference class of possibilities will often admit varying degrees of complication, ranging from extremely simple to extremely complicated." Wm. Dembski, "No Free Lunch", page 141
"It follows that information can be complex, specified or both. Information that is both complex and specified will be called complex specified information, or CSI for short." Ibid 141-42
EvoTARDs are all in a blather saying CSI (Complex Specified Information) is defined to exclude production via necessity and chance. They are confusing the proof that necessity and chance cannot produce CSI with the definition of CSI and they are too stupid to realize it.
CSI is simply defined as information that is specified, ie used in the standard sense of meaning and function, and also complex, ie also pertaining to the standard use.
There you have it and there isn't anything in the definition that supports the evoTARDgasms. Go figure.
ETA- "Complexity measures arise whenever we assign numbers to degrees of complication. A reference class of possibilities will often admit varying degrees of complication, ranging from extremely simple to extremely complicated." Wm. Dembski, "No Free Lunch", page 141
"It follows that information can be complex, specified or both. Information that is both complex and specified will be called complex specified information, or CSI for short." Ibid 141-42
posted by Joe G @ 4:45 PM
11 Comments:
At 5:46 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
Do you still think CSI=FSC=FIASCO?
At 6:08 PM,
Joe G said…
CSI=FSC. You are the FIASCOgasmer, cupcake
At 7:23 PM,
Joe G said…
Hey Richie, seeing that you like to be a cheering section, I have a new cheer for you, that is aimed at you:
FIASC0-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
(and fade)
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
cupcake
At 8:37 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
You faded 10 years ago, Chubbers.
;)
At 10:17 PM,
Joe G said…
FIASC0-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
FIASCO-GASM (clap-clap, clapclapclap)
(and fade)
At 11:46 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
You seem to have forgotten P(H|T), Joe. But you always found the concepts a bit too challenging. ;)
At 5:46 AM,
Joe G said…
LoL! That refers to specification, not CSI. Also that is the EQUATION and NOT the DEFINITION you ignorant ass. Obviously you have ignorance problems. But, then again, you have always had ignorance problems.
At 7:05 PM,
Rich Hughes said…
What does the S in CSI stand for, Joe?
At 11:46 PM,
Joe G said…
The "S" in CSI stands for "specified" not "specification".
The paper that equation was pulled from refers to specification. It's in the title of the paper. Also the equation is not the definition you fucking dullard.
At 12:05 AM,
Joe G said…
FSC= Functional Sequence Complexity
According to Dembski biological specification pertains to function and we derive the number of bits for CSI from the sequence. That means for an organism to have CSI it must have FSC.
I don't understand why that is so difficult to understand
At 10:50 AM,
Joe G said…
"Biological specification always refers to function. An organism is a functional system comprising many functional subsystems. In virtue of their function, these systems embody patterns that are objectively given and can be identified independently of the systems that embody them. Hence these systems are specified in the same sense required by the complexity-specification criterion (see sections 1.3 and 2.5). The specification of organisms can be crashed out in any number of ways. Arno Wouters cashes it out globally in terms of the viability of whole organisms. Michael Behe cashes it out in terms of minimal function of biochemical systems".- Wm. Dembski page 148 of NFL
In the preceding and proceeding paragraphs William Dembski makes it clear that biological specification is CSI- complex specified information.
In the paper "The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories", Stephen C. Meyer wrote:
"Dembski (2002) has used the term “complex specified information” (CSI) as a synonym for “specified complexity” to help distinguish functional biological information from mere Shannon information--that is, specified complexity from mere complexity. This review will use this term as well."
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