Intelligent Reasoning

Promoting, advancing and defending Intelligent Design via data, logic and Intelligent Reasoning and exposing the alleged theory of evolution as the nonsense it is. I also educate evotards about ID and the alleged theory of evolution one tard at a time and sometimes in groups

Friday, April 05, 2013

Transitional Forms and Nested Hierarchies- Support from Darwin and Denton - Andy Schueler eats it

I told Andy Schueler that if all the alleged transitional forms were alive, then we would not be able to form a nice strict and objective nested hierarchy. Andy threw a hissy-fit.

However Darwin agrees with me:

Extinction has only defined the groups: it has by no means made them; for if every form which has ever lived on this earth were suddenly to reappear, though it would be quite impossible to give definitions by which each group could be distinguished, still a natural classification, or at least a natural arrangement, would be possible.- Charles Darwin chapter 14
And like the coward he is Andy cried "That doesn't support your claim!" LoL! 

Denton agrees with me:

There is another stringent condition which must be satisfied if a hierarchic pattern is to result as the end product of an evolutionary process: no ancestral forms can be permitted to survive. This can be seen by examining the tree diagram on page 135. If any of the ancestors X, Y, or Z, or if any of the hypothetical transitional connecting species stationed on the main branches of the tree, had survived and had therefore to be included in the classification scheme, the distinctness of the divisions would be blurred by intermediate or partially inclusive classes and what remained of the hierarchic pattern would be highly disordered.- Denton, “Evolution: A Theory in Crisis” page 136 (X, Y and Z are hypothetical parental node populations)
Oops. Andy sez I can use any judges I want. Well Andy I will take Darwin and Denton.
You lose.


  • At 4:52 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Write to Denton and ask him to Judge. Darwin can't judge, being dead and all. You're such a coward, and you don't have $10k.

  • At 5:35 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Both Denton's and Darwin's words have already judged. I won.

    You're such a faggot and I will have more than $10,000 when Andy pays up.

  • At 5:39 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    People Judge, idiot. That's why Judges are people!

    Pleased to see you're recovering from me catching you changing your blog to support your lies.

    If you thought you were right, you'd pick judges. But you know you'd lose. Such a coward, cupcake.

  • At 5:47 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Yeah Darwin and Denton are actual people. Darwin wrote books- he was real. And what he wrote is very relevant to the topic.

    Are you saying that you are too fucking ignorant to understand the quotes provided? Or you understand them, see that I have won and now must engage in your normal cowardly tardgasms?

    To sum it all up, I know I am right and have the evidence to support me. I will definitely win in a court of law, and that is where this may be heading.

    And all Richie cupcake pom-poms can do is spew his drooling ignorance- or is that drool his ignorant spewage-

    Life is very good. And I will be $10,000 richer...

  • At 5:53 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Have you written to Denton?


  • At 6:06 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Darwin isn't a person, he *was* a person.

  • At 9:37 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    richie fruit-cake:
    Have you written to Denton?

    And ask him if he wrote what is in his book? Or am I going to ask him if he really meant it?

    richie fruit-cup:
    Darwin isn't a person, he *was* a person.

    And what HE wrote supports my claim. And seeing this whole fiasco is borne from misinterpretations of HIS diagram in THAT book, what HE wrote carries the day.

    So it is that Richie froot-loop understands the quotes, sees that I have won and now must engage in his normal cowardly tardgasms.

    Honey get me another ale, this looks like an epic Richie Tardgasm Hughes meltdown....

  • At 10:31 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Oh Dear.

    You know you're wrong. You were offered the chance to pick suitably credentialed Judges, and you wont.

    It'd be a very easy $10k to claim if you were right, but you're not and everyone, including you knows that.

    You'll now offer a red herring rather than contacting some suitable judges.

    You just like like to argue.
    I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself.

    This is why this continues, Cupcake.

  • At 9:15 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Or deary.

    I know I am right and the quotes prove it. Everything I have posted proves that I am right.

    Just because YOU are too ignorant to understand that fact just further proves that you are notthing but a fucking moron.

    And I will have a judge, in a Court of Law. There is no way Andy pandy will ever pay without that judge and court of law.

  • At 9:39 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    BTW Richie fruit-cake,

    Judges die too. Yet their decisions live on and still have merit.

    Darwin, being dead, does not change the fact that his words agree with what I claimed.

    And I am sure that a judge in a court of law will concur.

  • At 10:41 AM, Blogger Zachriel said…

    Darwin says right there you could still determine a natural arrangement.

  • At 11:21 AM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Yes, he does. And that arrangement would not be a nice, strict and orderly nested hierarchy.

    Also nested hierarchies are artificial arrangements.

    Did you have a point?

  • At 2:08 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Prediction fulfilled!

    Andy's made it very easy for this to happen, but you know you're beat.

    And it would seem you're as ignorant of the law as you are of science. We *WISH** you'd try and take it to court. Do it for the LULZ!

  • At 3:24 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Let's see, Richie, the ignorant ass, cannot deal with the evidence because the evidence demonstrates that I am correct and Andy has been totally destroyed.

    Prediction fulfilled, indeed.

    And no, I won't try to take him to Court unless a lawyer says that I 1- can and 2- have a case.

    Do you really think that your belligerence changes the facts?

  • At 3:40 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    And Richie, fruit-cup, it is very noticeable taht you still haven't dealt with the evidence in the OP.

    Andy thinks that his ignorance will make it go away. Is that what you think too?


  • At 4:57 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Oh dear Joe. You're so ignorant in many ways. You've expressed your *opinion*. Andy Has his. A judge(s) will decide who's opinion is correct.

    Its so simple, and he's made it so easy for you. But, you know, we know, he knows your full of crap. Hence your continued evasion.

    He's made it so easy for you. An easy $10k. Except, you're wrong, and you know it.

  • At 5:10 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Oh deary Richie Tardgasm. You must be the most ignorant person evah. Those quotes are NOT opinions, moron.

    There isn't anything to debate. It's over. If Andy had any balls he would just admit his mistake and move on. But he won't.

    OR he could create a nice strict and orderly nested hierarchy that includes all of the alleged transitionals.

    If he does that then I have nothing to say and must admit my mistake.

    But that is only part of the issue. He tried to pass off a non-nested hierarchy as a nested hierarchy. That is in the record.

    The mere fact that he tried to attempt such a thing is more evidence against him.

    And thank you for once again proving that you are too much of a coward to deal with the evidence. Only a coward on an agenda couldn't see that I have made my case and all Andy has is "That doesn't support what you claimed."

    Seeing that what I said was derived from Darwin and Denton, that just rings very hollow.

    But it is all useless as Andy will never pay up.

    And if he has anything to say I am right here. I cannot follow his blatherings in the mess of all the other evotardgasms.

    So if he ever has any evidence to support what he claims about nested hierarchies, he can present it here. Except he won't because he can't.

    I won and it pains you. Life is good.

  • At 5:12 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    And it is your *opinion* that the quotes support your position, fatarse.

    then we have PANIC RED HERRING.

    Why don't you pick some judges, Joe?


    BWAKAKAKA, cupcake.

  • At 5:29 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Seeing that what I said was derived from Darwin and Denton, that just rings very hollow.

    You just love being a piece of shit loser.

    The quotes say the same thing I said. That isn't an opinion.

  • At 5:36 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Funny to see you on the run again, chubs!

    1. Select Judges
    2. They agree with you (as "Only a coward on an agenda couldn't see that I have made my case")
    3. Collect Money

    So easy, so why don you obfuscate rather than do it?


  • At 5:43 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    LoL! More false accusations! Funny to see you all fucking belligerent and shit, faggot!

    Andy will never pay me. The case is made, no judges are even required.

    But thanks for proving that you are still a piece of shit loser.

  • At 5:45 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You don't know he will never pay you. That's the response from a coward who knows he's wrong. You can both but the money in escrow first, easily. Suggest that if you're serious. Oh wait, you don't have $10k,and you're wrong.

    Poor fatty. Have another donut.

  • At 5:50 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Yes, Richie I know he will never pay me.

    How do I know? Because the fuckwit already lost and all he has left is to deny it until the day he dies.

    Do you really think that any judges of my choosing will sway his ignorance and cowardice? Then you are even more stupid than I thought.

    For fuck's sake Jonathan MS Pearce should man-up and tell Andy that he fucked up.

    But anyway Richie, you can't make a case and all you have is your ignorant belligerence, as usual.

    So eat shit, asshole.

  • At 5:52 PM, Blogger Berni said…

    Hi Joe,
    why don't you pick Gordon E. Mullings for a judge? Go ahead, you can trust him.

  • At 5:53 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    That's such bad reasoning.

    Pick some judges, then sue him if he doesn't pay.

    You know you've lost. Hillarious watching you back away with your tail between your legs.

    And YOU suggested the bet. Another Joe-shoots-self-in-foot special.

    You are the most stupid person on the internet.

  • At 6:05 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    If I can sue him I do not need those judges, moron.

    And as soon as I hear back from a lawyer, I have emailed several, I will know what I can do.

    But thank you for proving that you are nothing but a belligerent ass.

  • At 6:06 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    And yes I suggested the bet. It would have been an easy $10,000 if the asshole wasn't such a welching coward.

    I will take money from ignorant evoTARDs any day.

  • At 6:08 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…


    You're going to sue him because you didn't fulfill the terms of a bet. Fantastic stuff.

    You're such an obvious bullshitter, Joe. If anyone is having a bad day and needs a laugh, they just need to google "Joe Gallien".

  • At 6:35 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    The terms of the bet that I agreed on is that I know more about nested hierarchies than Andy does.

    And that has been proven.

    Does Andy think that Denton changed his mind or is he hoping t6hat Denton won't agree to be one of my judges?

  • At 6:36 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    What I am saying, dumbass, is that a judge in a court of law are the only judge I need.

    And seeing that I have the evidence that supports my claims, I am all set.

  • At 6:40 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    So pick some judges already fatarse.

    the fact you aren't shows how little faith you have in your opinion.

  • At 6:56 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    No judges required, Andy lost by KO.

    I have the quotes to back me up. The quotes that say the same thing that I said- no opinion required.

  • At 6:59 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "I have the quotes to back me up"

    Then I'm sure the judges will agree with your OPINION.

    But we all, even you, know you're wrong. Hence you chickening out, Cupcake.

  • At 7:41 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    It is NOT my opinion, moron.

    I will prove it to you-

    Go ahead and post what I said and Andy attacked- the part about transitionals ruining an orderly nested hierarchy.

    Then compare it to what Darwin and Denton said.

    IOW it's as much my opinion as is my saying New England is north of Florida is my opinion.

    But we all know that you won't because you are nothing but a fucking coward and have nothing but false accusations and ignorant spewage in your repertoire.

  • At 7:42 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    And it is very telling that not even Zachriel disagrees with me.

  • At 7:47 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Still no Judges? Don't you want that $10k? You are pathetic. A loser, and you know it.

  • At 7:50 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    What's 'very telling' is you shitting yourself at the thought of judges and doing everything you can not to pick some ;-)

  • At 8:05 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    And more cowardly bullshit and false accusations.

    I said I pick Denton to be my judge. He already agrees with me.

    What the fuck is wrong with you?

    I told Andy I pick Denton. He lost because Denton agrees with me.

    Only an anal retentive coward would need the actual person- it would have to be face-to-face, no doubt- as opposed to what that person is on record saying.

    You must have a really, really small pee-pee. I'll have to call you mini-cupcake

  • At 8:09 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    So we need Denton ( if he agrees to judge ) to declare you or Andy the winner. Have you emailed him yet?

  • At 8:11 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Of course we'd need to do this in person, given you're a well documented lair and changer if your own words after the fact.


  • At 8:19 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I would love nothing better than to do this in person.

    And Denton already agrees with me-Only an anal retentive coward would need the actual person- it would have to be face-to-face, no doubt- as opposed to what that person is on record saying.

    No need to email anyone. It's over. I won.

    Then again, it's a given that Richie mini-cupcake, is anal retentive coward who can only falsely accuse other people. It makes his little pee-pee twinge.

  • At 8:24 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    You'd love to do it person, and you could if you got judges, and you'd be $10k richer. But, you won't.

    You've said:
    You're sure to win
    You'd love to do it in person

    Go on then fatty, get some people to agree to judge and make it happen!

    Cue strawmen...


  • At 8:26 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    This thread is a great shrine to your cowardice. I must make sure hermagoras and Ogre come and see so they can laugh at the wannabe bully.

  • At 8:55 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Spend the money to go collect from someone who won't show and won't pay? Only a mini-cupcake would think of something so stupid.

    And this thread is a great shrine to your cowardice.

    And I am not sure to win. I have already won.

    Cue Richietardgasm...

    Then again, it's a given that Richie mini-cupcake, is anal retentive coward who can only falsely accuse other people. It makes his little pee-pee twinge.

  • At 9:06 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    "Spend the money to go collect from someone who won't show and won't pay?" - I'm sure Andy has the same thoughts about you.

    hence me suggesting escrow, above.

    Still looking for excuses, COWARD CUPCAKE?

  • At 9:08 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I'm sure Andy has the same thoughts about you.

    Andy LOST you fucking moron.

  • At 9:09 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    And I'm still looking for a lawyer. Andy is looking for excuses.

  • At 9:09 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    So get a Judge and collect the money, if you HONESTLY think that.


  • At 9:11 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    He won't pay- I honestly believe that.

    I have judges. My judges agree with me.

  • At 9:12 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Good. Set it up.


  • At 9:13 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    I won. I just need the money.


  • At 9:15 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Oh, were you betting $10k you don't have, Cupcake?

  • At 9:17 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    No, mini-cupcake.

    And it doesn't matter. I won!

  • At 9:19 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Now the only $10,000 I need is the $10,000 Andy owes me.

  • At 9:20 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Let's see if the Judges agree with your opinion.

    I don't think have people self-declare themselves the winners in bets is very wise, do you?

    You're such a chicken. But it's such fun laughing at you!

  • At 9:22 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Joe, given your circumstances then, you're particularly stupid betting money you don't have.


  • At 10:05 PM, Blogger Joe G said…


    Given your circumstances you should just shut the fuck up.

    I won. I had my end covered.

    YOU are pathetic, indeed.

    And moron, Andy was declared- self-declared and baldly declared by others- as the winner. So again, eat shit you pathetic little cockroach.

    You have no clue and definitely no shame.

    Cute, cute Little Richie, Little pee-pee and a little brain... (sounds like a talking heads song)

  • At 10:08 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Bless - ALL CAPS MELDOWN!!!

    Don't cry, coward - you painted yourself into this corner.

    its obvious it would be easy to have this bet, and Andy has been more than reasonable in his terms.

    But you've shit your pants, bet money you don't have and retreated to your blog to declare yourself the winner.

    *Golf clap*

    You are the most pathetic coward.

  • At 10:10 PM, Blogger Rich Hughes said…

    Sadly Joe, we know all about the real you, rather than your made up walter mitty stories.

    I'd be sorry for, except you're known bully.

  • At 10:13 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    No meltdown- you are just a fucking piece of shit lying coward.

    I am not in any corner. I won. Andy lost. He needs to shut up and pay up.

    I didn't retreat anywhere. I am here. Everything I post there is ignored and it is obvious that Andy cannot survive without supporting strokers like you.

    You are absolutely the most pathetic thing- not even worthy of a coward.

  • At 10:15 PM, Blogger Joe G said…

    Truthfully Richie, you are just a known lying coward and stroker for the cause.

    You have nothing to offer but can only badger people who do.

    And I am the one who satnds up to bully wannabees- like andy, you and all the other pathetic evoTARds


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