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blipey the badgering clown wants me to describe a non-designed universe.
But how can I describe something that couldn't exist?
The point is a non-designed universe wouldn't have any laws. And without any laws what can you possibly get?
So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe.
blipey, OTOH, has claimed this universe is non-designed.
Yet he has offered nothing to support that claim.
But that is typical of his ilk- baldly claim what you have no chance of supporting.
In contrast IDists have provided plenty of data demonstrating a strong indication this universe was designed, and designed for (scientific) discovery.
JoeTard: "But how can I describe something that couldn't exist?"
ReplyDeleteIn regard to a non-designed universe. Assuming our conclusions a little?
JoeTard: "So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe."
ReplyDeleteI've bolded the relevant part. I take it vacuum energy proves a non-designed universe. Case closed.
Thanks for finally coming around, Joe.
"But how can I describe something that couldn't exist?"
ReplyDeleteErik the fagtard:
In regard to a non-designed universe. Assuming our conclusions a little?
Nope.
"So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe."
Erik the fagtard:
I've bolded the relevant part.
The whole thing is relevant.
Erik the fagtard:
I take it vacuum energy proves a non-designed universe.
I take it you don't understand vacuum energy.
For Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteCosmic Accidents Are Not Scientific Explanations
Vaccum energy is a consequence of the uncertainty principle. It is the spontaneous creation of virtual particles (in matter and anti-matter pairs) and it is a detectable phenomenon.
ReplyDeleteI take it that you now want to say that you didn't mean what you said and that things popping in and out of existence aren't really, FOR YOU, evidence of a non-designed universe?
Way to backtrack, Joe. You didn't even try the "Child Molester Defense." You must have really screwed the pooch this time.
What are you calling an accident? If you're going to use that as an argument you need to be clear. Are you saying that vacuum energy is an accident?
ReplyDeleteErik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteVaccum energy is a consequence of the uncertainty principle. It is the spontaneous creation of virtual particles (in matter and anti-matter pairs) and it is a detectable phenomenon.
Yes I know.
Erik the fagtard:
I take it that you now want to say that you didn't mean what you said and that things popping in and out of existence aren't really, FOR YOU, evidence of a non-designed universe?
Virtual particles aren't "things".
But I can see that grasping is all you have.
And that was not the only criteria:
So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe."
IOW all you are doing is proving my point- that you are an ignorant asshole.
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteWhat are you calling an accident?
Everything in a non-designed universe would be an accident.
Not planned- geez buy a freaking dictionary.
IOW Erik your position is unscientific.
Sure they are, Joe. They exist and the cause detectable phenomena in our universe. By your own admission, this universe shows excellent signs of being non-designed.
ReplyDeleteIf you disagree, please define "thing" as regards your argument.
Nice. There are no accidents because the universe is designed. The universe is designed because there are no accidents. Easy.
ReplyDeleteThe point is a non-designed universe wouldn't have any laws. And without any laws what can you possibly get?
ReplyDeleteSo if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe.
Erik the fagtard position's explanation for the laws that govern our universe?- "they just are the way they are"- Stephen Hawking
Are you kidding me?
And that passes for science?
Define "things".
ReplyDeleteErik the Fagtard:
ReplyDeleteThere are no accidents because the universe is designed.
I never said a designed universe doesn't have any accidents in it.
Are that fucking twisted?
Oh never mind of course you are.
Erik the Fagtrad:
ReplyDeleteBy your own admission, this universe shows excellent signs of being non-designed.
Not even close- YOU don't get to chop up what I said and then use that quote-mine to do something.
So try again:
So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe.
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteDefine "things".
Don't need to.
Ya see assface you chopped up what I said and used the chopped up part for a quote-mine.
Define a non-designed universe.
ReplyDeleteYou said things popping in and out of existence would suggest a non-designed universe.
ReplyDeleteYou were given an example of things that pop in and out of existence.
You said that they are not things, but gave no reason why. In order to continue, you need to:
Define "things".
Remember, all you need to do is speak under oath. Nothing else is necessary. Oh, just because you'll be distracted by the previous sentence:
ReplyDeleteDefine "things".
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteYou said things popping in and out of existence would suggest a non-designed universe.
I said:
So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe.
IOW you are proving that you are an asshole.
things- all definitions apply.
So have at it...
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteRemember, all you need to do is speak under oath.
Yes I know.
But the best part will be when the evotards have to speak under oath.
That is when I will prove that they are oafs.
And then nothing else will be necessary.
Also you need to buy a dictionary...
From Joe's definition of "things":
ReplyDelete"anything that is or may become an object of thought"
Well, virtual particles have been thought of so I guess they're things.
I guess the universe is non-designed.
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteYou were given an example of things that pop in and out of existence.
Except that ain't what happens.
Matter and anti-matter destroy each other and don't get to pop back.
IOW there isn't any popping in and out- once out it ain't coming back.
Loser...
Erik the fagtard- ALL DEFINITIONS APPLY NOT JUST THE ONE YOU WANT TO USE.
ReplyDeleteSo you're saying that the phrase "pop in and out of existence" requires that the exact same thing pop in and out of existence?
ReplyDeleteSay, if Frank Sinatra popped into existence and then popped out, the exact same Frank Sinatra (with all atoms exactly the same, would have to pop into existence later or it doesn't count?
The following sequence would not constitute "things popping in and out of existence"?:
1. A 1977 Firebird pops in
2. the 1977 Firebird pops out
3. a banana pops in
4. the banana pops out
5. a quasar pops in
6. the quasar pops out
7. (and they turn themselves about)
that would not be "things popping in and out of existence"?
Truly dumbfounding.
So, a "cat" is not a thing?
ReplyDeleteDue to number 9, "an article of clothing"
Mysteriouser and mysteriouser....
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteSo, a "cat" is not a thing?
Due to number 9, "an article of clothing"
A cat is a thing- please show us cats and clothing popping in and out of existence.
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteSo you're saying that the phrase "pop in and out of existence" requires that the exact same thing pop in and out of existence?
The phrase you are quote-mining and twisting is:
with things popping in and out of existence
So yes that would be the same things doing it continually- well more than once.
Also even with your example the energy stays so nothing really pops out.
And yes you are truly dumb- that is what I have found...
Define a non-designed universe
ReplyDeleteAccording to your requirement that a "thing" is all definitions, a cat is not a thing, Joe.
ReplyDeleteA cat is not an article of clothing.
If you're stating that a cat is a thing because it meets (at least 1) definition, then virtual particles are also things by the same criterion.
Other things(?) that a cat is:
ReplyDeletedescribable; not a state of being or circumstance; not an action, aim or task.
So, besides 9, a cat isn't 4,5,6,8, or 11 either.
Boy a cat sure doesn't come close to meeting all the definitions of a "thing" but you a cat is a thing anyway? Hmmmm.
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteAccording to your requirement that a "thing" is all definitions, a cat is not a thing, Joe.
No- I said all the definitions apply on that page I provided a link to.
And a cat fits at least one of those definitions you ignorant fuck.
Erik the fagtard:
A cat is not an article of clothing.
I never said nor implied it was.
Erik the fagtard:
If you're stating that a cat is a thing because it meets (at least 1) definition, then virtual particles are also things by the same criterion.
Right but I said ALL definitions appply- that means you have to find something that fits each definition- not something that fits only one.
IOW you need things from multiple categories.
And that STILL won't matter unless you can also match the other part of my qualifying statement.
Erik the fagtard:
ReplyDeleteOther things(?) that a cat is:
describable; not a state of being or circumstance; not an action, aim or task.
So, besides 9, a cat isn't 4,5,6,8, or 11 either.
Boy a cat sure doesn't come close to meeting all the definitions of a "thing" but you a cat is a thing anyway? Hmmmm.
So you really do think that if you act like an ignorant asshole that you can refute someone's argument.
Unfortunately you ain't acting...
Define a non-designed universe.
ReplyDeleteL.M.F.A.O!
ReplyDeleteJoe. A a virtual particle is a thing according to some (but not all) of the definitions on the page.
ReplyDeleteA cat is a thing according to some (but not all) of the definitions on the page.
Either both cats and virtual particles are things or neither are. You can't have it both ways.
P.S. What's your take, FTK? Are cats things? What about virtual particles? What about Joe's tap dancing; is that a thing?
Erik:
ReplyDeleteJoe. A a virtual particle is a thing according to some (but not all) of the definitions on the page.
OK.
Erik:
A cat is a thing according to some (but not all) of the definitions on the page.
OK
Erik:
Either both cats and virtual particles are things or neither are. You can't have it both ways.
OK.
So the problem must be YOU.
YOU are so fucked up you just cannot grasp what I said.
And even when you take what I said in an out-of-context quote-mine you STILL can't use it against me.
With vacuum energy virtual particles do not pop in and out of existence.
IOW even in your twisted little world, you lose.
And it is obvious that FTK finds that very freakin' funny.
Wait. Now you agree with me? First you say virtual particles aren't things. Now they are? You are unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteI'll pencil you in for virtual particles are things now (I guess). You change your mind too much to keep up with.
LoL!
ReplyDeleteErik just give up.
You don't have an argument- all you can do is try to butcher what I post.
Hint- does a virtual particle meet every definition of a thing?
ReplyDeleteIf you can't find one thing that fits every definition then you have to find several things that fit one/ more than one until you have them all covered.
So with that in your little bitty mind:
The point is a non-designed universe wouldn't have any laws. And without any laws what can you possibly get?
So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe.
Joe, does a cat meet every definition?
ReplyDeleteDo cats pop in and out of existence?
ReplyDeleteIf not then what difference does it make?
Or are you admitting that even after explaining it to you as if you were a 1st grader, you STILL don't understand what I posted?
Define a non-designed universe.
ReplyDeleteJoe. Try to stick to the question at hand.
ReplyDeleteYou said a virtual particle is not a thing because it doesn't meet every dictionary definition of thing.
You said a cat is a thing even though it was pointed out to you that it doesn't meet every dictionary definition of thing.
This exposes your requirement of meeting every definition as a fallacious.
Try to reconcile this. You cannot have it both ways.
blipey:
ReplyDeleteJoe. Try to stick to the question at hand.
Fuck you asshole.
How about YOU try to stick to MY argument as opposed to twisting it to suit your needs?
blipey:
You said a virtual particle is not a thing because it doesn't meet every dictionary definition of thing.
It doesn't meet my criteria.
Ya see asshole virtual particles do not pop in and out of existence.
blipey:
You said a cat is a thing even though it was pointed out to you that it doesn't meet every dictionary definition of thing.
And corrected your ignorance.
Go figre.
So you ae saying you ignored what i said hen I corrected you and are now just babbling incoherently.
Got it.
blipey:
This exposes your requirement of meeting every definition as a fallacious.
I explained that also.
So tell me why is it that you think that if you act like an immature asshole that you ca refute what I post?
Answer that question or fuck off.
Define a non-designed universe
ReplyDeleteWhy is a cat a thing, Joe?
ReplyDeleteJoe: "If you can't find one thing that fits every definition then you have to find several things that fit one/ more than one until you have them all covered."
ReplyDeleteIf that is your explanation of why a cat is a thing, you're just babbling. That paragraph is meaningless. That does nothing to explain why a (or anything else) is a thing.
blipey:
ReplyDeleteWhy is a cat a thing, Joe?
Because it fits at least one definition of a thing.
"If you can't find one thing that fits every definition then you have to find several things that fit one/ more than one until you have them all covered."
blipey:
If that is your explanation of why a cat is a thing, you're just babbling.
LoL!
What a complete imbecile!
TRhat was my explanation of what yo need to provide in order to satify that one criteria of a non-designed universe.
IOW thanks fo continuing to prove that you have the IQ of rock.
So tell me why is it that you think that if you act like an immature asshole that you can refute what I post?
ReplyDeleteDefine a non-designed universe.
ReplyDeleteblipey: Why is a cat a thing, Joe?
ReplyDeleteJoeTard: because it fits at least one definition of a thing.
blipey: a virtual particle fits at least one definition of a thing
JoeTard: a virtual particle is not a thing
blipey: why?
JoeTard: because a thing has to fit every definition of a thing.
blipey: well, then a cat is not a thing.
JoeTard: yes it is.
And that sums up IDiot logic about as succinctly as it is possible to do. And IDiots wonder why they can't win a court case.
Wow Erik the fagtard cannot folow what I said and instead throws a little girly hissy-fit.
ReplyDeleteErik the fagtard:
a virtual particle fits at least one definition of a thing
So what?
They STILL don't pop in and out of existence.
And that is only ONE class of "THINGS".
I specifically said THINGS:
The point is a non-designed universe wouldn't have any laws. And without any laws what can you possibly get?
So if you can get such a thing started I would expect a totally chaotic universe, with things popping in and out of existence, for me that would be evidence for a non-designed universe.
So as I said you need to find at least one thing that matches all the definitions of "thing" OR you find at least from each definition.
YOU HAVE TO COVER ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS OF THINGS IF YOU WANT TO REFUTE WHAT I SAID.
Joe, stop. You said that a virtual particle was not a thing. That is what we're talking about. You now seem to want to say that a virtual particle is a thing and move on. You cannot have it both ways.
ReplyDeleteYou said that a virtual particle was not a thing. In fact, you said this about virtual particles:
1. "Virtual particles aren't "things"."
Not much wiggle room there.
Do you now want to reconsider?
Erik stop.
ReplyDeleteI explained everything.
Just because you are too stupid to understand that explanation means nothing to me.
So eat shit fuckwad.
No explanation necessary, Joe.
ReplyDeleteFirst, you said that virtual particle are not things. There was no other context to this statement. You said that my argument regarding vacuum energy was incorrect because "VIRTUAL PARTICLES ARE NOT THINGS".
Now, you wan to say something else entirely. Now you claim that virtual particles are indeed things, but that's not why my argument is wrong, even though that contradicts what you said earlier.
You cannot have it both ways.
blipey:
ReplyDeleteNo explanation necessary, Joe.
OK then fuck off.
To sum up:
Erik quote-mines me (out of context) and sez vacuum energy is evidence for a non-designed universe.
However even virtual particles do not pop in and out of existence.
So now Erk throws a little girly hissy-fit.
For example:
You said that my argument regarding vacuum energy was incorrect because "VIRTUAL PARTICLES ARE NOT THINGS".
And I explained that- but now you say no explanation necessary.
IOW you are a complete fucking loser.
Now, you wan to say something else entirely. Now you claim that virtual particles are indeed things, but that's not why my argument is wrong, even though that contradicts what you said earlier.
Not so and I have explained taht also.
Apparently you are just too fucking stupid to understand anything.
Joe, you said that virtual particles are not things. Do you want to change your mind?
ReplyDeleteVirtual particles are things, yes or no?
blipey:
ReplyDeleteJoe, you said that virtual particles are not things.
And I explained myself.
Apparently you are too stupid to understand that explanation.
So now all you can do is throw a little girly hissy-fit.
Sweet...
Yes or no. You have claimed both. Are virtual particles things? Too scared to answer straight up?
ReplyDeleteYes or no?
I have already explained myself and now I am finished with this topic.
ReplyDeleteRight. You're final word is that "cats" are things because they adhere to at least one definition and that "virtual particles" are not things because they don't adhere to all definitions.
ReplyDeletePlease take that to court. Are you sure that's where you want to leave your position? That's untenable even to the remarkably stupid.
Wrong- as usual.
ReplyDeleteThat you would even say such a thing proves that you are too stupid to understand what I explained.
It is not my problem that you are a fucking loser who is forced to quote-mine and then get caught when that quote-mine backfires.
Joe: "virtual particles are not things."
ReplyDeleteJoe: "ALL DEFINITIONS APPLY NOT JUST THE ONE YOU WANT TO USE." (regarding virtual particles)
Exactly as I said. Joe claims that virtual particles are not things because he requires that all definitions of thing apply.
Joe: "A cat is a thing- please show us cats and clothing popping in and out of existence.
-bolding mine
Joe: "And a cat fits at least one of those definitions you ignorant fuck."
Exactly as I said. Joe only requires a cat to meet one definition to be a thing. For some reason he does not apply this rule to other "stuff" (I'd say "things" but Joe wouldn't know what I was talking about.).
So blipey thinks he can quote-mine me again:
ReplyDeleteJoe claims that virtual particles are not things because he requires that all definitions of thing apply.
Not what I said.
IOW you are happy to prove that you are an ignorant and imbecilic fuck.
Thanks, but I didn't need any more proof of that...
That is exactly what you said, Joe. I didn't delete anything from your statements; I included everything you wrote.
ReplyDelete1. You told me that virtual particles are not things and provided a set of dictionary definitions.
2. I read your definitions and said that virtual particles are things according to one of the definitions "anything that is or may become an object of thought".
3. You said that virtual particles are not things because "ALL DEFINITIONS APPLY NOT JUST THE ONE YOU WANT TO USE."
This is your entire comment.
4. I said that a cat is not a thing according to your requirement of matching every definition because "a cat is not an article of clothing" (one of the definitions given).
5. You said that a cat is a thing because "And a cat fits at least one of those definitions you ignorant fuck."
That is your complete argument in the comment regarding the "thing-ness" of cats.
If you would like to rethink your position on the "thing-ness" of virtual particles we can move on to the very dubious discussion you would like to have: namely, that virtual particles (and only virtual particles) must meet every definition in order to be used in the "popping in and out of existence" argument.
However, we cannot move on to that argument until you state clearly your position on the "thing-ness" of virtual particles. If you cannot state your position on what a thing is, all future discussions resting at least in part on "things" will be useless.
I know what you want to discuss, but until you tell us what things are, it is of no use.
How about it? Virtual particles. Things, yes or no?
blipey:
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly what you said, Joe. I didn't delete anything from your statements; I included everything you wrote.
You are a lying son of a bitch.
Your second post started with the quote-mine.
IOWyou are very sick and should seek help- or come to NH and I will take care of it.
Still not sure what things are? Here's a hypothetical:
ReplyDeleteIf someone comes up to you and says, "Hey, there are some things missing here.", do you automatically think that they are not talking about cats?
Something is missing from your head- sorry, you can't be missing what you never had- a brain.
ReplyDeleteSofas? Are they things? How about zebras? Oxygen molecules? Paint? Colors?
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, and...
Virtual particles?
Things?
What?
ReplyDeleteI can't hear you.
Please speak up.
And what about "things"? Are "things" "things"?
ReplyDeleteWhy can't you decide? This question is not very difficult.
What?
ReplyDeleteYou put things up your ass and have Richie suck them out?
Hopefully he gives you an enema beforehand.
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ReplyDeleteWow- comments popping in and out of my blog!
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ReplyDeletePop goes the com-ment...
ReplyDeleteLoL!!!!
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ReplyDeleteWhat was that?
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